Some healers are taking the entire ogcd heal thing to the extreme.

[ASkellington]

That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

WHM doesn't have as many oGCDs as SCH (6) and AST (4) {correct me if I'm wrong, I literally counted them both twice in game}. I don't know what its like on SCH as I barely touched it to get to 80 but for AST I can 100% heal with just 2 of my oGCDs if I have access to both with or without a cohealer in most content. Grim is correct in saying that things have to be pretty bad for me to dip into my GCDs as all 4 are on a 60s CD and since I know fights well enough one will almost always be off CD for me to use. If Lilies were on the oGCD, WHM would also have this issue.

[Grimoire-M]

That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

First off, Lilies are still a damage loss, because they're spells. Second, Any time White Mage has to heal the situation laid out in that quote chain (dungeons) was often already a situation AST already had to, especially if you and the tank understand what Holy does. Thirdly, and more relevant to the general part of this thread, good players play around their cohealer. If some dumbass is pressing Medica II like it's the end of the world you bet I'm dumping stacks into Energy Drain if I know what I'm doing on SCH. Conversely, I expect to be the primary healer as a SCH, because Aetherflow and the Fairy let me do things AST and WHM straight up can't. Namely flex my healing cooldowns around into spots they can't or are encouraged not to cover with their oGCDs. That's the nature of the role right now.

I'll concede that WHM's got the least number of oGCDs to use in their kit. However, when paired with their higher potency DPS spells, hardclipping, and Assize's inflexibility, it generally means they want to be a straight on turret DPS if their co-healer is competent. Like it or not that's optimal, barring highly narrow edge cases where you need specific spells to shave a GCD. And I don't think figuring out efficient resource management is unhealthy for the game. It's the only thing that makes the entire healing role interesting to begin with.

[Kraniel]

Nice try. I've been healing as my main role since 3.2

The point is everyone always says to never use any GCD heals ever, yet there are times where you won't clear unless you do.

No, that's not what "everyone" (who is everyone ?) says ...
What experienced healers recommend is to optimize your healing in such a way that you contribute more to the party DPS. Whether you like it or not, this is what encounters are designed around. The amount of healing required to clear any kind of content in the game is so trivial that we don't have to worry about dying, except when :
1. Things went horribly bad in casual content
2. Mechanics are not being answered properly in hardcore content

Of course, if everyone is getting low on HP, a healer has to use GCDs if necessary to avoid the party dying. Everybody knows that ... What you're saying is essentially "But what if i'm in a weak party, and we meet a super rude and stupid healer that is so obsessed with their DPS that they let us die all the time and blame it on us ?" (for whatever reason ; undergeared, low DPS, tank not using CDs, etc ...).
Well the answer to that is you've met a stupid player, and that's it. That has nothing to do with their role as a healer, or the fact that experienced players say that healers should only use GCDs when necessary.

That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

Afflatus Rapture is just a free Medica, and no one uses Medica over Medica II. There's only a handful of cases where you'll see experiences WHM players using lilies :
1. They're very low on MP and need the free heal (almost never happens)
2. They need to do a lot of healing in a short window of time, so they're going for Afflatus Rapture + Assize + something else (depends on the content, but rarely the case too)
3. During downtime to charge up Afflatus Misery since that's the only thing lilies are good for (only possible in fights that have downtime)

I haven't played all the jobs in the game, so maybe it's just me, but right now i feel like they're one of the most useless class trait. To make an easy comparison with another job : Could you imagine playing SAM without using your sens ? Not really, right ...
But lilies ... sometimes you almost forget they even exist.

[IceBlueNinja]

It's near the end of SHB. I'm starting to get fed up with it because I keep encountering more and more Glare mages who refused to even cast medica on a raid wide aoe when lilies and assize are on cool down. It used to be selfish SCHs (in HW) behave this way acting like a DPS, but after SHB, more and more WHMs just wants to Glare.

I've seen this extreme case multiple times in neir raid with first time players in party lately. One time I had to pretty much suffer as a SCH spamming shield, indom, and fairy on cd because this Glare mage won't heal the party past 50% without lilies. The Lily system might need a nerf if there are players acting like hard cast healing spell is a sin or something. Really threw the whole teamwork out of the window.

Well let me update a bit more: My party had 4 new players. I expect them to die a lot. Couldn't use aetherflow stacks on lustrate. I have to save them for indom. The co-WHM basically ignore all the healing timing and died multiple times at half hp still refusing to medica. Party wiped at twin bosses, red girl, and last boss with back to back raid wide aoes when I only had succor left. I just wanted to farm glams, but next time I rather eat penalty. This one case was the most unpleasant one so far.

I dont know why the glare bots/broil bots dont just play DPS class. All I can suggest Team up with friends who are more to do their jobs for you of healing when they should be or wait till EW, where ill make sure to keep ya healthy when DC comes. I gave up replying to the stupidity of this over and over, the way healers behave in this game is beyond me, and am a healer main. That is why I respect other old school mmos, because their fights is usually design to make the healer yes be a heal bot and throwing out some dps spells when your not to can signicially cause you to wipe on tough things.

I mean really then the come back is about people dont know how healer works and blah blah get over yourselves. Again your never gonna out dps a actual dsps like a blm/or sam but yeah not fighting this no more, all I can suggest friend is do what I said or have a person you know do their role. Ofc am not a heal bot or dps bot i am a balance bot heal+dps not do too much of the other its just so 100% pointless to do too much of one.

As a soon to be sage I will take only astro strictly as my co healer at least another fellow ast dont tend to be a malefic bot as much as a glare/broil bot like whm or sch, specially I know how upsetting it was when will purposely switch to noct if a sch dont wanna dish out a shield, well ill just aspect myself or someone about to die to make sure to cheese and not get hard hit by that mech to reduce major damage even if people ofc say shields are nothing compared to regens. but I enjoy having 90% health after a would be hard hit attack as I laugh at the regens barely keeping up and people is 90% damaged where a regen is suffering with its lame ticks to health them back up before some other nasty aoe big damage comes. My best and fav moments is just me and one tank or 2 tanks alive as am keeping all 3 of us fine health with me noct and end up winning all coms after I eventually get to astral statis the dps and the dps bot alive. I know the missing com will be from the dsps glare/broil bot

[Sebazy]

I dont know why the glare bots/broil bots/bots dont just play DPS class.

It's a pretty safe bet for an instant queue and it's easier to get away with being semi afk vs a tank. zzzzz =(

[IceBlueNinja]

Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

Oh dont worry Ill be the 1% that side with you and op because am the one 1% that agrees and is always been disgusted about this even in stormblood days with stone IV bots. As I say to you op or any other that feels the same as OP please link me up when DC comes to be your healer so you can enjoy being a dps and tank the way you want it to be, your happiness is my happiness. This is why especially sch was tone down to 1 button dps and people dare cry for more dps options? yeah as you said if dev saws healers playing their role more maybe we would get more dps buttons. Glad sage is gonna have instant shields, its pretty much a way better upgraded noct ast ohohoho.

People mention about not healing on 50% I lol at this far too many a time that over confidence of not healing by 50% and then everyone then lies down on the floor when dps green bot too busy throwing stuff, as usual ty god for noct aspect i just sling that on myself + at least one tank quick as I live with said tank while everyone else on ground. My fav red dps or even tanks who calls out green dps bots. It is not all dps/tanks/co heal gonna always like a dps bots whether yall wanna admit to this or not, its not that the tank or dps or heal bot as we say dont know how the play the game, we play the game it is intended to be to get what needs to be done.

[Nizzi]

This is why especially sch was tone down to 1 button dps and people dare cry for more dps options? yeah as you said if dev saws healers playing their role more maybe we would get more dps buttons.

So... Scholar became a 1 button DPS job because people were pressing more DPS buttons in the past and not healing, so they made it a 1 button DPS spam job and then design the fights where you're required to press this button 100+ times per fight in order to clear because there's very little that needs to be healed... and you still get upset that people are pressing that 1 button because they can handle everything without using GCD heals?

Does that make sense to you?

[IceBlueNinja]

So... Scholar became a 1 button DPS job because people were pressing more DPS buttons in the past and not healing, so they made it a 1 button DPS spam job and then design the fights where you're required to press this button 100+ times per fight in order to clear because there's very little that needs to be healed... and you still get upset that people are pressing that 1 button because they can handle everything without using GCD heals?

Does that make sense to you?

Let me make it more clear for you. I am a balance bot I health+shield/regen and buff , I dont mash heals 100% or 100% press dps button, i 50 50 of doing both and never have issue doing that playing as ast and still can even outdps the dsps green bot, when your dead for a few secs on whatever on the floor (green dps bot) not even healing yourself and had me waste my mp to res you. Also at that point wont the heal/balance bot over come you in dps parse? I just lol when you res a co heal dps bot and they are so into dps only to kiss the floor again not a single heal on themselves and then people gonna mention griefing or ofc call us heal bots oh the audacity and hypocrisy of calling people heal bots but yall are dps bots. You sound mad cause I dont agree on the green dps bot wagon cause am truly not or the fact I throw a blow on scholar which is factual. Cause that is what sams blm and ALL DPS are made for to do more damage than us. Finally again umm want more dps buttons play dps, mercy how much time must I say that.

My fav is fate breaker when he hits you with that nasty huge thunder buff and ofc I just always know if its on the dps green bot they are dead vs the heal or balanced bot. Over healing /shielding/regening or Over dpsing both is a stupid mentality. Does this make sense now? Oh the ever so angry scholars on Astros behind, Now will you also chew up on sages too?

Fyi am not angry, I do not care about random dps co heal bots anymore when I got my full fledge co healer friend with me or simply I will just solo heal easily an entire party as ast while your laying down there after, cause as squall says earlier in this post, ast whether noct or dirunal is way stupidly powerful to literally solo take care heal of a party by themselves while doing great dps, something a whm or sch can never do in oh snap my ast co healer is dead what should i do moment. Also do not be mad if a pld wanna clem or rdm wanna vercure themselves if they feel they not being heal enough and dont wanna die and drops some dps, its not on the pld or rdm its on the healer.

People are gonna do what they want, how they want, when they want, it aint about all the time please what a bunch of randoms want from you, A person is mostly to play anyway a swf more than listen to some random. If my friends want pure dps ill give it and not heal (like my pld brother ) or if they want me to do as much heal or so they can amma do it, makes em happy and me happy, your a random? umm not saying I dont care but how I see how your playing(well co healer at least) is my answer whether or not I want to co operative with you, Id much rather a blm/sam be greedy for up time and tip over to a avoidable mech than a green dps bot period as even if they dead and I res em even if for a few seconds I bet them on parse eventually they will just simply catch up and pass me again.

[Nizzi]

I'm sorry, but I genuinely do not understand what you're attempting to say.

[IceBlueNinja]

You will be alright, maybe look up what balancing is, have a nice day now.