Dark Knight Megathread

[MagiusNecros]

If we were to make a separate topic talking about about all the things Dark Knights and Tank players across the spectrum have an issue with then Lyth should be the one to write it since they are very articulate and have a strong grasp on what all the issues are. And the only way the developers will even so much as glance at it is purely on like count. And that it would have to be massive. Like 10k likes or more.

And this topic should only have messages written by Lyth. No peanut gallery commentary. Just straight facts.

Would it change things? Not likely but it might be a way to get them to say "Oh people aren't happy". Instead of looking the other way and saying that there isn't any problem at all.

[WhyAmIHere]

If we were to make a separate topic talking about about all the things Dark Knights and Tank players across the spectrum have an issue with then Lyth should be the one to write it since they are very articulate and have a strong grasp on what all the issues are. And the only way the developers will even so much as glance at it is purely on like count. And that it would have to be massive. Like 10k likes or more.

And this topic should only have messages written by Lyth. No peanut gallery commentary. Just straight facts.

Would it change things? Not likely but it might be a way to get them to say "Oh people aren't happy". Instead of looking the other way and saying that there isn't any problem at all.

Nah. I like Lyth posts but just having *one* voice serve as an arbiter for the consensus of the forums is not a good idea. There're folks that disagree with Lyth, and with how things are here culturally everyone'd still want to have their special spot of importance, i.e. their own threads.

Like, it's strictly a cultural issue. The JP forums seem to be like a tall apartment complex filled with myriad discussions and arguments. Sure they're varied but they're all at least in one place. Here it's more like an apartment development, with a bunch of smaller, but more narrow (kinda) in focus points to discuss. How many threads have been made for all of Shadowbringers about DRK? The front page for the tank section was almost nothing *but* DRK threads. There were some for WAR, the GNB sound effects thread, and maybe one or two for PLD? But by and large even just looking at the tnak section's first page should've been enough to see "oh wow the ENG side is sure talking a lot about DRK, eh?"

Plus with a language barrier, there's nuance and subtlety that can get lost in translation, both ways ENG<->JP. Just look at the recent interviews for instance. Several interviewers addressed concerns over healers and their issues, but YoshiP's response was either a juke to dodge it, or a dismissal, or some version of "I know what I'm doing." It's hard to exactly and precisely convey what yo mean to say on so many levels; whether its tone, phrasing, euphemism, humor, or whatever.

DRK's complaints have gone unheard, and hearing YoshiP admit "I haven't heard anything about blood weapon" when asked about that and wildfire being clunky is a clearcut example of these problems. Having just one person being "the voice of the forums" just cuts out even more opinions and viewpoints to try and improve the situation DRK players are facing going in to the next expansion with little to show to draw any sense of "wow that's so cool I can't wait to do that!"

[Shin96]

If we were to make a separate topic talking about about all the things Dark Knights and Tank players across the spectrum have an issue with then Lyth should be the one to write it since they are very articulate and have a strong grasp on what all the issues are. And the only way the developers will even so much as glance at it is purely on like count. And that it would have to be massive. Like 10k likes or more.

And this topic should only have messages written by Lyth. No peanut gallery commentary. Just straight facts.

Would it change things? Not likely but it might be a way to get them to say "Oh people aren't happy". Instead of looking the other way and saying that there isn't any problem at all.

Oh boy.

No, I don't think so. Actually, I don't think so at all.

Lyth doesn't represent an ounce of my opinions. The only thing I agree with them is Living Dead. Otherwise, there's only disagreement on that front. That said, I respect them and their opinions.

I hate using Bloodspiller and Quietus, I hate Living Shadow, I hate the way Dark Arts is lazily maintained by using an EoS/FoS once upon a lifetime. I hate the similiarity between Delirium and IR. Hate is a strong word, but you could easily remove 50% of DRK's kit and only give me Salted Earth, Carve and Spit. I'd be happier having that than being remembered ad verbatim of how butchered this job feels.

I also dislike using 1-2-3. Something Lyth doesn't agree with but if I was given the chance to see Power Slash in some functional form I'd take that any day. Actually, I did the job quest again and saw Sidurgu use it. I wish they could have repurposed it in some viable way. It pains my heart to see all the cool animations and resources just gone for a joke of a rework.

That said, what I want is one thing, what ends up happening is another. DRK is functional at the moment, but the fun is gone. If you were selling me it as a product I would never buy it. What I want is that the developers use 3.0 DRK as a reference, not a one on one comparison mind you. Respect the original source material, it's the reason so many people fell in love with it to begin with.

[ZaqueXIII]

The spread of suggestion and reworks is really interesting. I know there are mixed opinions on current DRK and its changes going into EW. While I dont play tank as my main DRK has been one of the jobs ive been playing more of when tanking.

Its beating a dead horse at this point but living dead needs some love, its okay but no other invuln cooldown can kill you if you dont get healed and DRK lacks to tools to do it themselves and shouldnt have to force certain comps or people to adjust to them so intensely in critical moments.

Additionally I feel like there should be more than one way to obtain the dark arts buff, proccing off of a popped TBN is nice enough but it feels like a neglected part of the kit. Maybe as reward for finishing the combo or as part of a seperate combo or maybe proccing off of quietus/bloodspiller but it would be nice to see this very cool part of the job more.

As well, I think living shadow just feels out of place in the tank role I undertand its value but players would likely just prefer a direct DOT button, maybe it would feel better if the shadow took over for you and took the hits for a few seconds instead(potentially as a better form of invuln!?).

I think there is potential in this DRK but it needs a bit more love than the media tour preview showed it.(also I thought they said in the previous LL that they were gonna change dark mind to block all damage and not just magic so... heres hoping that still happens)