Physics on Summoner is very weak, intended or just a bug?

[Zeich]

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN. If they put it as a SCH-only ability, it would have to be level 30+, meaning SCHs wouldn't have anything for healing in the pre-30 dungeons aside from their fairy. So it exists on SMN because it's necessary for low-level synced SCH to have it. It's attached to MND because otherwise SCH couldn't use it effectively and be unable to do their role. SMN can still use it because it's still an ACN ability. Physick being left on SMN is just an unfortunate result of these things, so I'd simply take it off the hotbar if I were you.

As for other healing abilities (Everlasting Flight, new Phoenix move) I imagine they're going to scale more properly to SMN, just like Second Wind does for melee, Curing Waltz does for DNC, Vercure does for RDM, etc.

[Riyshn]

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN. If they put it as a SCH-only ability, it would have to be level 30+, meaning SCHs wouldn't have anything for healing in the pre-30 dungeons aside from their fairy. So it exists on SMN because it's necessary for low-level synced SCH to have it. It's attached to MND because otherwise SCH couldn't use it effectively and be unable to do their role. SMN can still use it because it's still an ACN ability.

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

[Zeich]

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

Huh, today I learned! I wasn't actually aware of that. Thanks for the info. o.o

Edit: Double interesting - even their Ruin is considered separate, prolly for upgrade paths to Broil? Then yes, weak Physick either needs to be removed or scaled properly.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

And if you look at the SCH abilities, you also get ones like Whispering Dawn pre-30 that unlock with the job stone so it wouldn't need to be a level 30 spell.

While still not great at 50, Physick can be used still for about 10% of your HP. Maybe the stat squish will make it useful again so you aren't having that 5-600 HP cure from when you had 5-6k HP still be the same amount as when you have over 100k HP and becoming more .5% HP recovery.

[Blueyes]

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

Indeed. There is no reason why Summoner's Physick can't scale off Intelligence while Scholar's remains scaled off Mind when they are separate spells.

I'm genuinely curious if Yoshi-P is even aware of this issue. Serious question. I'm getting concerned at this point.

[Cabalabob]

Indeed. There is no reason why Summoner's Physick can't scale off Intelligence while Scholar's remains scaled off Mind when they are separate spells.

I'm genuinely curious if Yoshi-P is even aware of this issue. Serious question. I'm getting concerned at this point.

From live letter 37:

Q: Red mage’s Vercure is affected by the intelligence attribute, but would it be possible to change summoner’s Physick so that the cure potency changes with intelligence?

A: Red mage was born from both white and black magic; however, summoner is different. Each of the jobs have their own roles. If all jobs were made equally, that would basically make every job the same. From a gaming perspective, I believe it would be more fun to have differences, so we carefully made adjustments so that the jobs do not become the same.

They are aware, their reasoning is just not good reasoning. Physick has been discussed to death in the past and bizarrely there are people out there who defend the decision to keep it MND based.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...93#post4500993

[Allegor]

From live letter 37:


They are aware, their reasoning is just not good reasoning. Physick has been discussed to death in the past and bizarrely there are people out there who defend the decision to keep it MND based.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...93#post4500993

They removed Fluid Aura after nerfing it several times, so maybe they'll remove Physick someday if people keep complaining about it. That said, I do kinda agree with that reasoning, in a way. If smn could heal and raise just like rdm, they'd need to be hit with...what's it called? 'support tax' ? and I doubt most would be happy about that.

It took many expansions for SE to finally remove the useless Fluid Aura from WHM to combat skill bloats against a skill that no ones bother to put on their hotbars



Give them several more expansions and you will see Physick gone.

Which is funny because not only whm has the least bloat of all healers, but Aqua Veil is basically what Fluid Aura could've been turned/upgraded into, instead of "replaced" .... 71 levels later [Largesse/Temperance all over again huh?]

[Iscah]

From live letter 37:

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They are aware, their reasoning is just not good reasoning.

Really, that quote doesn't put it in a way that makes it certain they're aware of the issue.

The question asked is "can it be changed to scale on intelligence to be like RDM?"

The question that needs to be asked is "can it be changed to scale on intelligence so it heals for a useful amount and not the current 1% of our HP?"

[Jandor]

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN.

Arcanist has nothing to do with it. Scholar and Summoner used to share many abilities, Bio, Ruin II, Energy Drain, etc. and they all scaled correctly.

Edit: lol, I see someone already replied to this. Yeah, anyway, the Arcanist link has always been a bit overhyped as a problem IMHO. It's been pretty obvious since Stormblood that the link between them isn't as problematic as it first appeared to be.

[Deceptus]

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN. If they put it as a SCH-only ability, it would have to be level 30+, meaning SCHs wouldn't have anything for healing in the pre-30 dungeons aside from their fairy. So it exists on SMN because it's necessary for low-level synced SCH to have it. It's attached to MND because otherwise SCH couldn't use it effectively and be unable to do their role. SMN can still use it because it's still an ACN ability. Physick being left on SMN is just an unfortunate result of these things, so I'd simply take it off the hotbar if I were you.

As for other healing abilities (Everlasting Flight, new Phoenix move) I imagine they're going to scale more properly to SMN, just like Second Wind does for melee, Curing Waltz does for DNC, Vercure does for RDM, etc.

Easiest solution is to change it via a trait at lvl 30. . .

But y'know, small indie company and all.