SE are leaving BLM to rot by giving SMN and RDM even more utility

[MilkieTea]

REMOVE RAISE ON SUMMONER AND RED MAGE.

No.

/10char.

[ForteNightshade]

No.

/10char.

Ironically, you'd see very few complaints from RDM and SMNs for losing their respective Raises, especially SMN as it's new rotation makes it an even bigger DPS loss. Neither wants to raise. They do it for prog sake. It's the Healers who care because they don't want to touch their raise without Swiftcast.

With all that said, OP seems to forget that BLM'S "utility" even right now is its massive damage. Hell, speed meta since Verse has brought Samurai despite Dragoon and Monk offering all kinds of buffs. Why? Their buffs aren't enough to offset Samurai's raw damage. Admittedly, there are other factors at play but sheer damage is still a major contributor. The only thing OP is correct on is statics will typically want you to play RDM/SMN for prog. While that can be understandably frustrating, the change to Embolden now means statics can more freely drop a Melee without punishing their RDM. This restriction is also only really prevalent in the more sHC and HC groups. So if you don't have those aspirations, then it really doesn't even matter. You'll find a static as a BLM.

[Archwizard]

Ironically, you'd see very few complaints from RDM and SMNs for losing their respective Raises

As a RDM main, I like having Raise, actually.

Thing is, if you're at a point in progression where resurrecting people is still a viable route to get a clear over just wiping and resetting, leaving Raise purely to the healers begs the question... who's gonna rez the healers if their squishy arses get splatted. Even if just one goes down, if the other doesn't have Swiftcast handy, someone's gotta be healing the group and the tank.
It's nice not having them all be on one role (or even on one job in a group, given the popularity of solo-heal comps).

... Plus it's just convenient to have for taking friends and lowbies through farm content, or even for casual raid roulettes, especially if I know they're going to die repeatedly their first time or two around. Not every spell or ability has to be weighed on its value for high-end content.

Now as for SMN, I have no idea. I know I detested having to urgently Mana Shift on my RDM back in SB when MP was tight, I'd guess SMNs have pretty much the same reaction of "I hate being asked to but... fine, at least I have it, better than wiping."

[Seraphor]

Ironically, you'd see very few complaints from RDM and SMNs for losing their respective Raises, especially SMN as it's new rotation makes it an even bigger DPS loss. Neither wants to raise. They do it for prog sake. It's the Healers who care because they don't want to touch their raise without Swiftcast.

With all that said, OP seems to forget that BLM'S "utility" even right now is its massive damage. Hell, speed meta since Verse has brought Samurai despite Dragoon and Monk offering all kinds of buffs. Why? Their buffs aren't enough to offset Samurai's raw damage. Admittedly, there are other factors at play but sheer damage is still a major contributor. The only thing OP is correct on is statics will typically want you to play RDM/SMN for prog. While that can be understandably frustrating, the change to Embolden now means statics can more freely drop a Melee without punishing their RDM. This restriction is also only really prevalent in the more sHC and HC groups. So if you don't have those aspirations, then it really doesn't even matter. You'll find a static as a BLM.

Rez Mage here, don't you dare touch my raise.

[ForteNightshade]

Rez Mage here, don't you dare touch my raise.

Considering the dev team seems very determined to kill Resurrection on Summoner. Verraise has to die with it otherwise Red Mage instantly becomes a guaranteed job much in the same vein Dragoon and Ninja were locked in during Heavenswards and Stormblood.

Why are people saying BLM's damage is its utility? Am I missing something?

BlackMage and Summoner do almost the exact same dps, but even by a miniscule amount, SMN actually OUTDAMAGES BLM. Look up the statistics (I'm not sure if I can link anything here).

BLM doesn't nearly do enough damage to justify the lack of resurrection, but perhaps the 3% devotion next expansion is an answer to this concern.

EDIT: Also want to add that dps requirements have been a non-issue for ages now. There's hardly any dps checks mid fight anymore and the enrages continue to be too lenient to warrant the need of a single class to make or break a run. It's always so derailing to see people constantly say "BLM's utility is its damage" when it's outdps'd by a class like NIN merely because of its incredible Trick attack utility.

Uhh... yes it does. At 80% Summoner only ever out-dpses Black Mage in Oracle. And only in rDPS. In every other fight, Black Mage is anywhere from a 100 to nearly 1000 rDPS above Summoner while absolutely demolishing it in aDPS. Ninja doesn't come anywhere close to Black Mage. So I have no idea where you got that nonsense.