What is your biggest wish for endwalker that you know probably won't happen?

[alibutterfly]

I am a woman of simple wishes, and just would like a glamour plate for every separate job. I don't feel like that's asking for super much, but I'm also confident it can't/won't happen.

If I were to put more of a pie-in-the-sky hope that I also know is not going to happen and they've already shot down multiple times over the years, I'd really like a proper glamour log as well, but.... /sigh.

[Dogempire]

I want any ultimate fights to actually be hard. The fact that any of them have been cleared at all shows they aren't hard enough. Beating one should be a crazy huge deal since they should be nearly impossible to beat.

Example is in the Ultima Weapon one. You need to beat certain bosses in a certain way. The game should not even hint that you need to do that. (Note that I have never run that, so if there is indeed no hint whatsoever, please correct me)

Eh, you can only make fights so scripted before it becomes ridiculously annoying and not actually difficult.

If you want something difficult and unscripted then you'd need something like solo deep dungeons where the title is much much rarer than an ultimate clear

[Shurrikhan]

Eh, you can only make fights so scripted before it becomes ridiculously annoying and not actually difficult.

If you want something difficult and unscripted then you'd need something like solo deep dungeons where the title is much much rarer than an ultimate clear

I mean, if we're differentiating between scripted complexity and "actual difficulty", when the prior does at least have greater engagement and cognitive load, why would we not differentiate between "actual difficulty" and whatever we call a MCH or RDM grinding away at PotD mobs in endless kite-and-spanks, for which one's responsibilities and cognitive load are far less?

[Dogempire]

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Uh, have you ever tried to solo a deep dungeon beyond just doing the first 10 or 20 floors and then getting bored? Because I'm pretty sure you haven't

Ultimates are only hard because you have to know how to split up and resolve certain mechanics in a certain way, otherwise everyone blows up, and once you get that down it's the exact same fight over and over minus the mistakes people make, hence why soloing deep dungeons is difficult but unscripted as each run is subject to RNG but you can still consistently clear it as long as you play your cards right.

It's mostly about knowing how to approach the floors in a way that maximizes your chance of success instead of just throwing yourself at the same mechanic 8 minutes into the fight until the dragoon who's holding the group back from progging starts to consistently remember their spot after resolving y mechanic so they can stop blowing up the group and start to prog on mechanic Z

Anyways, my point is that deep dungeons are the closest thing we have right now to something that isn't scripted but is still very difficult, in terms of raids the only way you can make it more difficult is by adding mechanics that make everyone blow up if someone forgets to stand on marker 1, then you just have to restart from the beginning.

[Shurrikhan]

Uh, have you ever tried to solo a deep dungeon beyond just doing the first 10 or 20 floors and then getting bored? Because I'm pretty sure you haven't

Haven't bothered past 60 or so on this char, but I've been up to 180 on my other (who I grew more attached, leaving this lying there, for roughly a third of each xpac), mostly as a PLD or DRK, back in HW. I've also had plenty of friends stream the final floors with their solo runs.

Ultimates are only hard because you have to know how to split up and resolve certain mechanics in a certain way, otherwise everyone blows up, and once you get that down it's the exact same fight over and over minus the mistakes people make, hence why soloing deep dungeons is difficult but unscripted as each run is subject to RNG but you can still consistently clear it as long as you play your cards right.

But how is that "difficulty" any less artificial? Even in PotD, you still have a list of procedures that you follow mostly verbatim, simply adjusting for contexts. The environment and its RNG adds a requirement that one must first identify said contexts, sure, but the procedures themselves are also vastly simpler.

Anyways, my point is that deep dungeons are the closest thing we have right now to something that isn't scripted but is still very difficult, in terms of raids the only way you can make it more difficult is by adding mechanics that make everyone blow up if someone forgets to stand on marker 1.

Not exactly. Randomization absolutely could be a part of the Ultimate experience, too; it'd just require that they design the fights in a way that wouldn't fall apart the moment the order is changed (by conditional adjustment to those individual action strings, rather than just added a timing buffer).

Heck, most means of adding difficulty haven't yet been attempted in Ultimate. That they've only managed to do so through, as you've mentioned, Simon-says (or-PK) mechanics, does not mean that such are the only possibilities.

[Rocco]

SE needs to fix the 1.0 spaghetti code for after EndWalker.

It should be their number 1 priority. It's holding a lot of systems in this game back like the Glamor system most importantly.

Also, please remove loading between each zone, it's 2021 the game should be seamless like WoW and many other MMORPGS

[Vespar]

For the trust system to be added to all previous dungeons from ARR thru Stormblood.
and
For instanced housing/islands to be made available. (Like actual plots, not just innrooms/apartments) Everyone should be able to buy one assuming they have the gil for it. Not just the lucky few who clicked a plackard at the right time...

[Dogempire]

Haven't bothered past 60 or so on this char, but I've been up to 180 on my other (who I grew more attached, leaving this lying there, for roughly a third of each xpac), mostly as a PLD or DRK, back in HW. I've also had plenty of friends stream the final floors with their solo runs.



But how is that "difficulty" any less artificial? Even in PotD, you still have a list of procedures that you follow mostly verbatim, simply adjusting for contexts. The environment and its RNG adds a requirement that one must first identify said contexts, sure, but the procedures themselves are also vastly simpler.


Not exactly. Randomization absolutely could be a part of the Ultimate experience, too; it'd just require that they design the fights in a way that wouldn't fall apart the moment the order is changed (by conditional adjustment to those individual action strings, rather than just added a timing buffer).

Heck, most means of adding difficulty haven't yet been attempted in Ultimate. That they've only managed to do so through, as you've mentioned, Simon-says (or-PK) mechanics, does not mean that such are the only possibilities.

It's somewhat artificial because the progress of the party is determined by the lowest skill members, if party members x and y are constantly dead then even though you've been doing everything perfect on your end, you're still wiping because the upcoming mechanic needs all 8 people alive to resolve it.

Personally I'd rather see more fights that step away from the "simon says or wipe" mentality and went with something where the boss isn't 2 shotting the DPS with autoattacks and the healers don't have to constantly top everyone off every raidwide and mechanic otherwise the people without self heals will die, but the only fight like that is probably Rathalos EX

[Shurrikhan]

Personally I'd rather see more fights that step away from the "simon says or wipe" mentality and went with something where the boss isn't 2 shotting the DPS with autoattacks and the healers don't have to constantly top everyone off every raidwide and mechanic otherwise the people without self heals will die, but the only fight like that is probably Rathalos EX

Same. I'd love to be able to leverage a bit more versatility, and have more reason to do that via more mixed and less scripted combat.

[Adeacia]

Eh, you can only make fights so scripted before it becomes ridiculously annoying and not actually difficult.

If you want something difficult and unscripted then you'd need something like solo deep dungeons where the title is much much rarer than an ultimate clear

That's why you make things interesting. Have them do the fight in first person mode only for example.