Still the Warrior of Light in 6.x and beyond? [Spoilers through ShB]

[RyuDragnier]

I have a sneaking suspicion we'll lose Ardbert's soul (it'll be sent back to the First's reincarnation cycle) and be brought back down to 8/14 soul density. With the Blessing of Light gone as well, we're likely going to see a lot more Heavensward and Save the Queen style difficulties, where we're going to get knocked down a peg a few times and have actual struggles in the coming expansions.

[Katie_Kitty]

This feels like you're operating under the assumption that the Blessing is a tangible power rather than an unseen buff that affects us within the lore of the story, though, which I'm fairly sure is what it's supposed to be given how characters talk about it.

I think if Hydaelyn is destroyed in EW, as I assume she will be, WoL will be knocked down a few pegs. That's not to say they aren't already incredibly impressive on their own, after all we took down all the 2.0 primals as well as Ravana and Bismarck without the full blessing, just that it will be more understandable if we struggle against some more grounded threats.

Hmm, I dunno. I think we're moving in a direction where Hydaelyn and her blessing will become irrelevant. We're becoming more powerful simply on the basis of gaining more of our original soul while simultaneously unlocking abilities based on the fact that we're Azem. I think moving forward that will be the source of our strength.

[Vyrerus]

I'm fond of the 'Warrior of the Crystal' moniker from FFXI myself, as it makes sense - we're serving/protecting a Crystal after all, and also using both the Warrior of Light and Darkness titles as well, so rolling that all together under one combined banner works better.

And of course references a past FF game. (Also the Warriors of the Dawn title was taken already).

...Yes Vyrerus, I know the 'Warrior of the Crystal' term in FFXI ended up meaning something completely different in that game's lore, but here it works as a term used by an adventurer.

Didn't think of any response to this earlier, but...

No wonder nobody can beat us in FFXIV, they don't have an Ark Pentasphere to gather us(our shards, teehee) into the same fight! DIVINE MIGHT BABY!

[GoldStarz]

I have a sneaking suspicion we'll lose Ardbert's soul (it'll be sent back to the First's reincarnation cycle) and be brought back down to 8/14 soul density. With the Blessing of Light gone as well, we're likely going to see a lot more Heavensward and Save the Queen style difficulties, where we're going to get knocked down a peg a few times and have actual struggles in the coming expansions.

I don't think we're going to lose Ardbert, but I do agree that I think for the immediate future we're going to see a de-escalation in threats. WoL is definitely extremely strong on his own but the way most characters talk about the blessing of light in game, it feels to me like it's an intrinsic component of our current power level.

Hmm, I dunno. I think we're moving in a direction where Hydaelyn and her blessing will become irrelevant. We're becoming more powerful simply on the basis of gaining more of our original soul while simultaneously unlocking abilities based on the fact that we're Azem. I think moving forward that will be the source of our strength.

Bro we're not going to get more of the shards of Azem's original soul because that would require literally murdering 6 people for no reason and absorbing them into our aether, which so far we've only seen primal able to do with an unwilling party (ie Leviathan and Thordan). Also I feel people get way to hung up on the Azem reveal since it doesn't really have any actual impact on our character outside of whatever impact you personally choose to put on it. They were very smart to write it in a way that doesn't affect how you have personally imagined your character. From what we know, Azem doesn't have any powers more particularly special than any other Amaurotine we've heard of which makes you about as especially powerful as anyone else who's awakened an Echo around your level (ie Fordola, Mikoto, Krile, formerly Ysayle; although Mikoto and Krile aren't really fighters at this point in time)

[RyuDragnier]

Bro we're not going to get more of the shards of Azem's original soul because that would require literally murdering 6 people for no reason and absorbing them into our aether, which so far we've only seen primal able to do with an unwilling party (ie Leviathan and Thordan). Also I feel people get way to hung up on the Azem reveal since it doesn't really have any actual impact on our character outside of whatever impact you personally choose to put on it. They were very smart to write it in a way that doesn't affect how you have personally imagined your character. From what we know, Azem doesn't have any powers more particularly special than any other Amaurotine we've heard of which makes you about as especially powerful as anyone else who's awakened an Echo around your level (ie Fordola, Mikoto, Krile, formerly Ysayle; although Mikoto and Krile aren't really fighters at this point in time)

I think we will become 14/14, but it's going to be a very temporary thing. Assuming the final battle will be in the Rift between the Source and all the Shards, one could imagine that the "reflections" of ourselves from the Shards will be temporarily redirected to us. A redirection like that lasting just long enough to destroy the final boss could be plausible, without killing them. Think of it as holding a mirror in front of a light with your hand. The light will be redirected elsewhere, but there's only so long your arm can stay in that position before it gets too weak to hold it up.

[Cleretic]

The first one (two?) isn't the Blessing of Light though, it's Hydaelyn directly interfering to shield WoL from Ultima, it's why she's so drained after ARR because she spent most of her reserves protecting us from Ultima. Also keep in mind that Nabriales says the Blessing of Light was what repelled the Ascians from ever launching a direct attack on the Scions and their base, directly implying that it's more of an ambient power than a tangible one.

That's literally what I mean. The Blessing isn't a power in and of itself, but more of a connection to Hydaelyn. A connection that can be strong or weak, yes, but it amounts to having the ability to say 'yo, Hydaelyn, help me out'. Apparently, helping against the Ultima Weapon was a big one for her, probably because it was a prolonged, arena-wide thing rather than a single shot like we see in the other cases.

Knowing that the WoL (and plausibly Minfilia, but that's more a theory than anything) have that power at their back would make the prospect of taking a swing pretty risky--but apparently, that risk wasn't enough to repel Elidibus from being a weird nerd for no reason.

Which also explains Igeyorhm's scene post-Bismarck. She can discern that connection is being re-established, but at that point the conduit isn't strong enough to actually scare her. We can't get THAT much through (although, again, I'm still pretty sure we clown on her and Elidibus without it anyway).

[Katie_Kitty]

I don't think we're going to lose Ardbert, but I do agree that I think for the immediate future we're going to see a de-escalation in threats. WoL is definitely extremely strong on his own but the way most characters talk about the blessing of light in game, it feels to me like it's an intrinsic component of our current power level.


Bro we're not going to get more of the shards of Azem's original soul because that would require literally murdering 6 people for no reason and absorbing them into our aether, which so far we've only seen primal able to do with an unwilling party (ie Leviathan and Thordan). Also I feel people get way to hung up on the Azem reveal since it doesn't really have any actual impact on our character outside of whatever impact you personally choose to put on it. They were very smart to write it in a way that doesn't affect how you have personally imagined your character. From what we know, Azem doesn't have any powers more particularly special than any other Amaurotine we've heard of which makes you about as especially powerful as anyone else who's awakened an Echo around your level (ie Fordola, Mikoto, Krile, formerly Ysayle; although Mikoto and Krile aren't really fighters at this point in time)

I'm not your "Bro," and actually we don't know where the story is going so kindly refrain from pretending that you've got all the answers.

[Apothecarist]

I believe your character will always be the warrior of light by virtue of deeds and morality = bringer of equilibrium

Whether you will continue to possess the same powers post 6.0 is however a separate subject. Part, if not most, of your power is derived from you being the reincarnate of an ancient which predates Hydaelyn and Zodiark. It was by this ancient power of creation that Hydaelyn and Zodiark were born. While the game might hint otherwise, I don't think that Hydaelyn directly increases your power in any way. Instead what Hydaelyn did was trigger your memories to reawaken some of your ancient powers in the form of the "echo" and gave you the blessing of light so she could directly intervene at choice moments to save you from certain death.

Another theory I have is that Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and all primals are essentially the same beings. They are all aether (= will of the star) given man-made personality and purpose by their worshippers/summoners using creation magic. Hydaelyn and Zodiark being the strongest of these personalities. By end of 6.0, I theorized that Hydaelyn/Zodiark will be depersonified and recreated to become one consistent entity that will maintain equilibrium. This personality is still required as there is something else causing the fabric of reality to fray (mysterious sound emanating from the depths of their star).

[_Koneko_]

I'm pretty positive nothing will change if anything we got stronger because of the exstra rejoining it feels like the type of posts you read on the wow forum about people not wanting to be the hero but a common adventurer it just do not work also why would you play a mmo where the whole theme is being the Hero and complain about being the hero

[TheMightyMollusk]

I assume we'll keep the title just because it's a convenient and consistent thing for voice-acted characters to use to refer to the player.