Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Roeshel]

The tank could also do their job, regardless of whether a DPS pulls or not. Some may not like it, and that's what a kick function is for. Just as they can be kicked, the tank can be kicked too. It doesn't encourage anything. This can be the cause of full on wipes. It's a complete waste of time.

While I agree that tank should be pulling regardless of who picked up the aggro first, I really don't like that tank/heal should do their job argument because when you apply this to healers you more or less claim that it is a healer's job to take care of and support all types of degeneracy across DF which is not true.

With that said, I don't run across people who are pulling instead of me. I am always rushing ahead. DPS getting hit by mobs once is not that big of a deal and it doesn't bother me that much when I playing a tank. It almost never happens but when it does it is just fine. Their HP is not my concern. When I am playing healer and some DPS is running ahead, I don't heal them. Running ahead is on them unless the tank is trolling everything should be fine. I might run ahead of the tank as well but I don't heal myself in most cases either unless I am WHM. I just put regen on the tank and me and walk together. I get aggro because I have applied regen before they have established aggro but that's alright I can heal through the damage with regen alone. Sharing the damage from the initial impact also reduces the amount of HP that you need to heal in order to keep the tank alive during the pull as well so there is that.

[Kolaina]

So what we have concluded seems to be tanks and healers, do your job. But dps are excused and can do whatever. Even if it makes it a lil difficult for others to do theirs in a clean manner.
Got it

[Cubsbane]

Sure, if tanks stop to grab an enemy, that's one thing. But some tanks are genuinely confusing. The pull size is inconsistent, they'll stop for a while (actually stop) and then keep going even though everyone else has set up... It's frustrating.

There's a very clear difference, too. If an enemy has gone over to hit another party member, or if the tank has to aim their AOE so it hits everything, you can tell if you're looking. A tank just stopping and then doing their AOE several times is unnecessary unless they wanna set up shop there. Enmity building only takes a hit or two, and if someone else gets it while the tank is running to the next mob, they can pop sprint and stand next to them so they take it back. Easy.

[Rinhi]

So what we have concluded seems to be tanks and healers, do your job. But dps are excused and can do whatever. Even if it makes it a lil difficult for others to do theirs in a clean manner.
Got it

said no one ever

[MaxCarnage]

said no one ever

I mean, if you've been following the thread, the consensus is "whoever wants to pull can pull, healers/tanks adjust". There's no responsibility on DPS.

All I've seen is people saying "Tanks do your job. If a DPS pulls, it's the tank's job to pick it up. And the healer's job to keep alive." DPS have no accountibility here.

Good meme response, though.

[Rinhi]

I mean, if you've been following the thread, the consensus is "whoever wants to pull can pull, healers/tanks adjust". There's no responsibility on DPS.

All I've seen is people saying "Tanks do your job. If a DPS pulls, it's the tank's job to pick it up. And the healer's job to keep alive." DPS have no accountibility here.

Good meme response, though.

it's the DPS' responsibility to kill the mobs, it's the tanks responsibility to keep aggro and it's the healers responsibility to kill mobs and heal when needed
I'm glad I could explain dungeons and the unspoken rules to you

[Kolaina]

it's the DPS' responsibility to kill the mobs, it's the tanks responsibility to keep aggro and it's the healers responsibility to kill mobs and heal when needed
I'm glad I could explain dungeons and the unspoken rules to you

It is not the dps responsibility to pull for the tank. That’s what the conversation is about. Glad I could get you caught up

[Rinhi]

everyone can pull
thank you for coming to my ted talk

[Kolaina]

everyone can pull
thank you for coming to my ted talk

I get you’re trying to be clever while simultaneously being rude. That’s fine. But general etiquette would be to let the tank pull. Instead what generally happens is someone else pulls, they don’t even bring it to the tank. They kite it around. It does not get aoe’d down.
Sometimes the tank is mid pull and has to stop momentarily to pick up the adds. (Not everyone is mk player and tabbing through with a d pad can be troublesome). This may cause the tank to take more damage from being stationary. Etc. Etc.
But let’s not just let the tank pull. Let’s make a mess and others can clean it up. You do you

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I get you’re trying to be clever while simultaneously being rude. That’s fine. But general etiquette would be to let the tank pull. Instead what generally happens is someone else pulls, they don’t even bring it to the tank. They kite it around. It does not get aoe’d down.
Sometimes the tank is mid pull and has to stop momentarily to pick up the adds. (Not everyone is mk player and tabbing through with a d pad can be troublesome). This may cause the tank to take more damage from being stationary. Etc. Etc.
But let’s not just let the tank pull. Let’s make a mess and others can clean it up. You do you

DPS who don't bring the mobs to the tank are stupid, everyone agrees on that. But DPS or healers pulling at all isn't an issue so long as they don't run off into Narnia with them.

I tend to see way more tanks throwing baby tantrums about extra mobs than I do DPS/heals running circles around with them, though. So I'd say tanks having rancid ego trips is a lot more common than the occasional idiot who won't pull things to the person who can actually take aggro from them.

Either way, do we really need this circular argument to start up again and derail the thread? Get new material, y'all - this one's old and tired.