SECOND Job Stones for base classes of ARR?

[ItMe]

Yo, did someone say

1. I would rather they make a whole new class if they want to have a Ranged Physical caster. Cannoneer exists in FF Tactics A2, and kind of in two forms, and if such a class were to exist in XIV it would make sense to have cast times on it...

Cannoneer babyyyyyy!
Always gotta support a shoutout to Cannoneer as a potential job~

Don't forget, it's also in FFV.

8. An Evasion based Tank sounds like a terrible idea... The main one I've heard that's really worked well was FF 11's Ninja, and mostly because it can spam abilities to dodge literally every attack thrown at it by bosses. Aside from giving it a low cooldown Perfect Dodge from past Rogue/Ninja skills, it'd mostly be RNG to survive.

Yeah, evasion tanks really only exist in games with "builds," and I don't think there is room for them in FF14.
The Ninja in FF11 was unable to tank all content (mainly single enemies with fewer, harder hitting abilities it can focus on dodging), but in FF14 it would be expected to tank anything and everything.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Yo, did someone say

Cannoneer babyyyyyy!
Always gotta support a shoutout to Cannoneer as a potential job~

Don't forget, it's also in FFV.





Yeah, evasion tanks really only exist in games with "builds," and I don't think there is room for them in FF14.
The Ninja in FF11 was unable to tank all content (mainly single enemies with fewer, harder hitting abilities it can focus on dodging), but in FF14 it would be expected to tank anything and everything.

Utsusemi by itself isnt enough to make a tank in FFXI. The other things NIN had going for it was being able to sub WAR to get additional aggro tools and also that NIN had an A or A+ rating in evasion and parry to help make those shadows (3 from ichi, 5 from ni) last longer. Though SE actually designed the job to be a DPS and players turned it into a tank. They'd actually intended SAM on that game to be a tank or tank hybrid originally and players made it a DPS.

Overall though evasion tanks can be extremely hard to balance properly in a game which is why generally when they appear they're either too weak because the amount of attacks they avoid doesn't make up for lack of mitigation or HP, or they're OP because they're avoiding damage too much. In the case of FFXI the biggest annoyance for blink tanking were enemies that spammed AoE abilities as this would usually eat all shadows when they went off. RDM/NIN was probably the most broken combo for blink tanking in that game however it lacked aggro tools for party content.

[WhiteArchmage]

Yo, did someone say

Cannoneer babyyyyyy!
Always gotta support a shoutout to Cannoneer as a potential job~

Don't forget, it's also in FFV.

I actually thought Cannoneer would make a good interpretation of Chemist (fused with Flintlock): load up your hand-cannon with potion shells or buff shells and release them as a mist (by planting the hand-cannnon on the ground for AoE, shooting it at the target's feet for ST). Considering Yoshi mentioned they scrapped Chemist for not knowing how to conceptually make it work as a healer, it'd make some sense that way. Add some Mudra-like "Mix" command for buffs and you got yourself an AST with a cannon.