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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz33 View Post
    I know I'm very late to the party. What makes you guys think that Emet is dead at all?
    "I AM STIFLED BY THIS VESSEL OF FLESH!"

    In the fight in the Dying Gasp, Hades actually discards the body of Solus in favor of taking on the true form of his soul in order to fight us at his fullest. That is how he transforms into the giant clawed monster.

    You misunderstand the auracite chunk. Take note of what the Scions were doing. They were channeling their aether so that the auracite would trap and absorb as much of his soul as possible. This is a battle against Hades's very soul. The last chunk to break is the one that gets all of their efforts, becoming the spear that he has to hold back from piercing him. It didn't stake him down. It basically made a weakpoint in his soul, a chink in his armor, which is why our Axe of Light was able to penetrate him.

    As for the rest of Amaurot still being around... Akademia Anyder is a dungeon set there AFTER we've killed Hades. His illusion Amaurot was setup to persist after he was gone. The Dying Gasp takes place in the portion of Amaurot that sits in ruins above sea level. That was an active illusion he made, whereas the Amaurot beneath the sea was a passive one.

    We will no doubt see holorecordings of Emet-selch on the moon in the Mare Lamentorum crystal repository. We may even get an Echo vision of him in the past. His legacy, the one he wants us to remember, is going to still impact the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    "I AM STIFLED BY THIS VESSEL OF FLESH!"

    In the fight in the Dying Gasp, Hades actually discards the body of Solus in favor of taking on the true form of his soul in order to fight us at his fullest. That is how he transforms into the giant clawed monster.

    You misunderstand the auracite chunk. Take note of what the Scions were doing. They were channeling their aether so that the auracite would trap and absorb as much of his soul as possible. This is a battle against Hades's very soul. The last chunk to break is the one that gets all of their efforts, becoming the spear that he has to hold back from piercing him. It didn't stake him down. It basically made a weakpoint in his soul, a chink in his armor, which is why our Axe of Light was able to penetrate him.

    As for the rest of Amaurot still being around... Akademia Anyder is a dungeon set there AFTER we've killed Hades. His illusion Amaurot was setup to persist after he was gone. The Dying Gasp takes place in the portion of Amaurot that sits in ruins above sea level. That was an active illusion he made, whereas the Amaurot beneath the sea was a passive one.

    We will no doubt see holorecordings of Emet-selch on the moon in the Mare Lamentorum crystal repository. We may even get an Echo vision of him in the past. His legacy, the one he wants us to remember, is going to still impact the story.
    Explain this part first. Emet said that he will not lie to you (and technically he never did, he just omitted a few things) Emet also said that he could have wiped out your entire party in The Dying Gasp without a blink right at the start. Why didn't he? Did you notice that the ring of arrows landed in a circle around Alisaie and Aiphinaud instead of on them (why even show the ring in the first place if there's no intention behind it) and a perfect killing shot on Ryne (which a lot of players actually believe it was) apparently only knock her out for a bit? If his intention is to take out your friends. They would have all be dead or seriously hurt at the beginning of The Dying Gasp, much less timed a perfect rescue at the end with no worse for wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiz33 View Post
    Explain this part first. Emet said that he will not lie to you (and technically he never did, he just omitted a few things)
    That's called, A Lie by Omission. It's still lying. Also, he didn't say that he wouldn't lie to us. He said that he'd done nothing but tell us the truth, and then he says, "But if I were to lie you would find it quite indistinguishable." Which basically him admitting to being an unreliable narrator.

    Did you notice that those "arrows" exploded? You should look up concussive force, sometime. They missed at first to inspire terror. It's a common villain tactic.

    As for why he didn't outright kill the Scions, again, to inspire terror and play with his food, so to speak. By the time he does get serious, we've fused with Ardbert, and the Exarch has summoned the other WoLs. Also, note that he'd just shrugged Thancred off, and didn't think he had time to really aim, hence why the blast only grazed Ryne. He hit Urianger and Y'shtola with the same blasts a few seconds earlier. The Scions are sturdier than you or he gives them credit for.

    Pride cometh before the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Did you notice that those "arrows" exploded? You should look up concussive force, sometime. They missed at first to inspire terror. It's a common villain tactic.
    You're correct in his tactic but wrong in his motivation. He one-shot the Scions but didn't kill them in order to drive WoL closer to the edge without just shoving him over, because his hope was for WoL to overcome against all odds. Ultimately Shadowbringer's ending was the outcome he most wanted to happen and the one he put the most active effort into achieving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    You're correct in his tactic but wrong in his motivation. He one-shot the Scions but didn't kill them in order to drive WoL closer to the edge without just shoving him over, because his hope was for WoL to overcome against all odds. Ultimately Shadowbringer's ending was the outcome he most wanted to happen and the one he put the most active effort into achieving.
    While I agree, it's not yet explicit.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore