"There wasn't much we could really do with SCH"

[Deceptus]

So I was thinking about this and I think I hit on the thing that simply pisses me off the most:

All the healers got pushed back to a baseline in 5.0. We were told specifically that we didn't get a new healer and both of those happened so they could "balance what they had"

After 2 years of that, the best the developers could come up with was "There wasn't much we could do with Scholar"?

It just seems like they put all their limited effort into Sage, Reaper and Summoner and Scholar suffered the most at the end. Just an afterthought.

Scholars get the shortest ability showcase, and they showed off a glorified run animation as the capstone. I know that run might not be the lvl 90 ability but every other job ended with a BANG, we got a waddle.

[Oshirigami]

I don't feel like it's too much to ask for... a rework to Dissipation to be 1 aetherflow,10s duration, on a 60s cd, 3 charges (so spend all 3 charges and it's what it is now, but a QoL improvement for prog), a dps increase faerie gauge spender, and a selene rework to swap out WD/FI while removing consolation from its own button.

I don't get why the devs can't look at the job and think this up. Does no one on the design team play SCH?
The job got hit hardest by the simplification of healers and feels under-designed now. Whereas WHM and AST look better than ever.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I don't get why the devs can't look at the job and think this up. Does no one on the design team play SCH?

I got a strong inkling that none of them even plays healers, let alone maining one.

[NobleWinter]

I don't feel like it's too much to ask for... a rework to Dissipation to be 1 aetherflow,10s duration, on a 60s cd, 3 charges (so spend all 3 charges and it's what it is now, but a QoL improvement for prog), a dps increase faerie gauge spender, and a selene rework to swap out WD/FI while removing consolation from its own button.

I don't get why the devs can't look at the job and think this up. Does no one on the design team play SCH?
The job got hit hardest by the simplification of healers and feels under-designed now. Whereas WHM and AST look better than ever.

I definitely like that this suggestion is more flexible. Having the fairy disappear for 10 seconds is less threatening. Im already used to how it works currently tho and I imagine if I needed to burst heal a dungeon pull that has extended for too long I would be weaving Dissipation 3 times for the same gimmick instead of once. Weaving windows are precious but the new Broil change would probably make this version of the skill really nice.

[E4EO]

I got a strong inkling that none of them even plays healers, let alone maining one.

And, iirc, Yoshi-P said he didn't like pet jobs, so we can factor that in too.

I can't remember where he said this though, but even if we didn't, he for sure doesn't seem to like SCH, or frankly, any of the bloody healers.

[Garnix]

Quoting what I posted in another thread that's more specific to what's missing.

And it should have been obvious that it's missing as I've felt this way about SCH and PLD gauges for all of ShB.

While I agree that adding an offensive spender to those gauges would be kinda cool/convenient, it would also lead to another game design issue: people would try to use the offensive spell as much as possible rather than the heal or defensive buff.
It is this exact design issue that led them to remove Energy Drain in 5.0, and then add it back, and then lower its potency.
It's obviously a hard balance for them to find...Unless you put a long recast time on the DPS spell, in which case it doesn't really do anything, as you would basically just use it on cooldown anyways.
For PLD, maybe they found a solution as they said that tanks will be rewarded for using cooldowns at the right time, whatever that means.


At the end, those gauges are just fancy looking cooldowns. Since you don't use all your defensive/healing CDs as soon as they are available, I don't think we should worry so much about making sure the gauge doesn't cap out. We should just treat it as an indication that our CD is available.

[Sebazy]

It just seems like they put all their limited effort into Sage, Reaper and Summoner and Scholar suffered the most at the end. Just an afterthought.

Sounds like a repeat of the last two expansions tbh.

Stormblood SCH clearly wasn't tested or even discussed amongst anyone with any amount of healing experience at any level of content be it dungeons or savage.

[Truen]

Even on their Facebook advertisement posts people are complaining about the SCH reveal. It's time we got vocal on other platforms besides this one (which they ignore).

[Mortex]

While I agree that adding an offensive spender to those gauges would be kinda cool/convenient, it would also lead to another game design issue: people would try to use the offensive spell as much as possible rather than the heal or defensive buff.
It is this exact design issue that led them to remove Energy Drain in 5.0, and then add it back, and then lower its potency.
It's obviously a hard balance for them to find...Unless you put a long recast time on the DPS spell, in which case it doesn't really do anything, as you would basically just use it on cooldown anyways.
For PLD, maybe they found a solution as they said that tanks will be rewarded for using cooldowns at the right time, whatever that means.


At the end, those gauges are just fancy looking cooldowns. Since you don't use all your defensive/healing CDs as soon as they are available, I don't think we should worry so much about making sure the gauge doesn't cap out. We should just treat it as an indication that our CD is available.

It’s not like the game has huge downtime’s we’re you can use 3 times aetherflow for energy drain. And still get a indom for the next big aoe up. Telling people they don’t do something because they fear this kind of thing is hilarious. It’s is so trimmed towards easy mode that only mentioning a party die once or twice over a healer optimizing dps make people go ape. And when you have tanks getting one hit by tank buster because they didn’t use cooldowns people don’t say a word or a dps not doing mechs because uptime ( what is so rarely the case in pf I’m always hoping I see it more but people often rather like a free carry and play the minimum).

[Mortex]

Sounds like a repeat of the last two expansions tbh.

Stormblood SCH clearly wasn't tested or even discussed amongst anyone with any amount of healing experience at any level of content be it dungeons or savage.

I mean if you look at SB healer non of them was tested in any content anyway. Whm Lily’s we’re actually garbage. Sch was a underpowered mess at the start and astro got minor arcana being absolutely useless in a lot of situations except dmg card and even then why would you throw a card away for royal road or a decent dps card, sleeve draw was the only decent astro ability in stormblood. Atleast they had the decency too fix sch with buffs. Whm got aggro reduce on heals and assize potency increase and cd reduce for the entire expansion.