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  1. #61
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    I know this for a certainty because all healers in Shadowbringers had access to Respose(which was cruelly ripped from Whm for the sake of a single role quest at lv80) which made every raid group have access to Sleep, every single one, now please tell me what fight in the entire expansion required Sleep.
    This was honestly one of the most disappointing things in the entire expansion for me. They gave us this skill, and just...Never gave us a use for it.
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  2. #62
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    This was honestly one of the most disappointing things in the entire expansion for me. They gave us this skill, and just...Never gave us a use for it.
    Sadly they can't design the fights like they used to back in ARR. Remember all the CC we had to use in Coil? Man I miss those days.
    (5)

  3. #63
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    Cora Eudestand
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    "Roeshel says something completely uninformed and inflammatory" -> "Actual knowledgeable healer corrects him" is becoming a tedious cycle, but then I remember it's still a more complex rotation than a level 90 healer will have.
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  4. #64
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
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    Oh I remember Gordias raid progression well, nothing like wanting to be an Ast but by the very design of the raid tier and job, couldn't because it was that much difference between Noct Ast and Sch that I was forced to go and level Sch up by end of week 1.

    Still had to wait a few more weeks before Ast got a buff to its HEALING POTENCIES (no i'm not salty just really want to highlight that they undertuned Ast with its primary duty because they were scared it would replace both Whm and Sch) to be a competently designed healer to handle the Gordias raid, and even then it was only Diurnal that was adequate enough, Nocturnal was still a don't bother just go Sch for months.

    As someone who was progging Gordias when it was current content ( I only made it to A4s as a Sch) the amount of little things you'd do to try and increase your damage was absurd, this tier was really the tier where the kid gloves came off how do I maximise my damage as a healer.

    And one of the biggest issues with this tier, the goddamn accuracy caps were near impossible to reach as a healer you needed every single solitary materia slot to have accuracy, remember Healers had the same accuracy cap as Casters did but next to 0 accuracy on any of their gear, SE by design did not want healers hitting the bosses 100% of the time, they just allowed enough melds to be able to meet it just.

    So much accuracy materia wasted on melds ;_;
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  5. #65
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    And one of the biggest issues with this tier, the goddamn accuracy caps were near impossible to reach as a healer you needed every single solitary materia slot to have accuracy, remember Healers had the same accuracy cap as Casters did but next to 0 accuracy on any of their gear, SE by design did not want healers hitting the bosses 100% of the time, they just allowed enough melds to be able to meet it just.
    I completely forgot about the accuracy caps, they started getting rough around FCOB when SE neglected to scale healer acc up for the new tier and yeah, it was something else come Gordias.

    That's certainly one thing I don't miss
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  6. #66
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    FoxCh40s's Avatar
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    Source Eldion
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Snippity snip of good ol fashioned Sebazy ass whoopin(
    *sips coffee nodding with Sebazy*
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  7. #67
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    Erakir Pompop
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    I completely forgot about the accuracy caps, they started getting rough around FCOB when SE neglected to scale healer acc up for the new tier and yeah, it was something else come Gordias.

    That's certainly one thing I don't miss
    Oh someone forgot their ooze gonna run over and swift holy to save the raid in Pepsiman oh boy it's a bunch of MP but it'll be worth it I'll be so cool-

    *Miss*

    *Wipe*

    =D
    (6)

  8. #68
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100
    There's nothing they can do as they have to make sure healers are capable of being played at a 99th percentile by the healer testing team of primates, and they found that anything beyond 1 dot and 1 nuke skill was too complicated for the average orangutan since they also had to be taught to press additional buttons every 45-60 seconds.

    They're still researching solutions to this conundrum, but hopefully they'll have an idea come 7.0
    (9)

    Watching forum drama be like

  9. #69
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    Reiryuu's Avatar
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    There's nothing they can do as they have to make sure healers are capable of being played at a 99th percentile by the healer testing team of primates, and they found that anything beyond 1 dot and 1 nuke skill was too complicated for the average orangutan since they also had to be taught to press additional buttons every 45-60 seconds.

    They're still researching solutions to this conundrum, but hopefully they'll have an idea come 7.0
    With how they totally rejected any notion of complexity, I wouldn't hold your breath. Maybe if SGE is more complex by a little and people gravitate to it until they will reconsider the others... but then you'll always have little Tommy who needs to have his gundam healer but it's too hard to heal and dps so... it'll get dumbed down, too. At that point all you can really do is abandon the role or the game to show your disapproval.
    (6)
    "Then what is magic for?" Prince Lir demanded wildly. "What use is wizardry if it cannot save a unicorn?"
    Schmendrick did not turn his head. With a touch of sad mockery in his voice, he said, "That's what heroes are for."
    -- Peter S. Beagle, The Last Unicorn

  10. #70
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    Khloe Entialpoh
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 100
    SCH could have used a new fairy glamour
    Like one of the Pixies / Titania or a Sylph

    I'd have been happy with a new fairy glamour
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