Suggestion: Change the Mentor Icons

[Baxcel]

Holding someone captive in an instance is harassment by any definition. It's somewhat common in Mobas. Also if this change was implemented, people would try harder to find a way out of it. Forcing the game closed is often a go to strategy. Additionally you defined the rules for Mentors being allowed to leave as "they are the last on there" which instantly doesn't work if there is two or more mentors present.

Yes they could try forcing a D/C but as I said they can't be removed via vote dismiss.. so that player would effectively be unable to play the game until they logged back in an completed the duty or the other players completed it or left.. thus ensuring that the player has to commit to the roulette or not play the game for how ever long it would take..

Additionally if everyone was a mentor left in the duty that still completes the requirement that it just being the mentor remaining inside so they could then leave..

To be honest SE needs to Crack down on the shit mentors are pulling ingame.. we all know what they are and how they are doing them and it needs to end.. end the system or start banning players from being mentors somehow..

[van_arn]

Yes they could try forcing a D/C but as I said they can't be removed via vote dismiss.. so that player would effectively be unable to play the game until they logged back in an completed the duty or the other players completed it or left.. thus ensuring that the player has to commit to the roulette or not play the game for how ever long it would take..

Additionally if everyone was a mentor left in the duty that still completes the requirement that it just being the mentor remaining inside so they could then leave..

To be honest SE needs to Crack down on the shit mentors are pulling ingame.. we all know what they are and how they are doing them and it needs to end.. end the system or start banning players from being mentors somehow..

Ok, since players can't be forced to play the game you'd just end up with mentors holding entire EX groups hostage with a 2 bar LB and offline status. You're encouraging an arms race of toxicity when the simplest solution is to let anyone that doesn't want to be there leave.

Yes, it's best to permit the standard penalty and allow backfill. Even if the group collapses, especially if the group collapses.

Furthermore, if I somehow "give" you the option that Square has it in their power to prevent Mentors from withdrawing from an instance (again, they don't; you'll just not see them), that only incentivizes mentors to remove players that have failed to prepare for the fight in question so they get a fast clear and can move on.

The core problem with extremes in mentor roulette is the penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for leaving. Adjust the penalty for any of it you'll notice an increase in queue times across the board, not just extremes.

If anything can be changed, it's the entire concept of an extreme duty finder queue. I'd much rather we go back to the days of Wineport premades only for extreme/savage content just to keep that content hidden from view outside of PF, especially when the alternative is a sprout trying to demand players sandbag them.

[Sotaris]

Suggestion: Remove Mentor and Novice Chat completely.

[RyuDragnier]

People will just be toxic elsewhere if you remove NN. The best people can do is report the toxic and harassing ones. Remember, if you're reported, it goes on your permanent record (this isn't a joke btw), and SE will constantly go back to it. If you get enough marks on it, regardless of how long its been since your last one, you're getting banned, at least temporarily. That's often enough to shut down the toxic players, especially if they've been playing for a long time, nobody wants to lose that much time on an account.

[Juun]

And did you report that person for harassment?
Not to victim bash, but you report people who do hateful things, they get banned, and there's less hate.

I was a sprout unable to find some of the more basic things. Do you think I knew how to report people? The game only allows you to report people for RMT and I hadnt even the slightest clue what RMT meant and the game warns you not to falsely use it otherwise they take actions against your account. Heck now I know what RMT is Im still rather confused how to report people all I know you have to do it outside the game.

[Rae88]

I was a sprout unable to find some of the more basic things. Do you think I knew how to report people? The game only allows you to report people for RMT and I hadnt even the slightest clue what RMT meant and the game warns you not to falsely use it otherwise they take actions against your account. Heck now I know what RMT is Im still rather confused how to report people all I know you have to do it outside the game.

OMG the reporting system needs a revamp I think. It's extremely unintuitive

You have to go to the main menu, click support desk, then click contact us, click the reason for reporting, then you have to write like an essay xD

[Larirawiel]

OMG the reporting system needs a revamp I think. It's extremely unintuitive

The problem with "easy to use"-reporting systems is, the psychological barrier to use them is way lower. So it can happen that the GMs will be overflooded with meaningless reports. But they have still to check them all.

Cheers

[ICountFrom0]

I was a sprout unable to find some of the more basic things. Do you think I knew how to report people? The game only allows you to report people for RMT and I hadnt even the slightest clue what RMT meant and the game warns you not to falsely use it otherwise they take actions against your account. Heck now I know what RMT is Im still rather confused how to report people all I know you have to do it outside the game.

Menu, Support, Contact, Report.
You want the first option, "harassment".


The "have to do it outside the game" is for bots, if you need to contact the special team.


And I'm not saying you should only have done it then. I'm saying you should keep doing it today. Everybody should. If you want to keep the game from going to the lowest common denominator, the scum of humanity, is to report things when they happen. Sure, in a perfect world the GM's would catch every single one... but a game that has enough detection to notice every bannable offence, also has no players unbanned.

I did not, nor did I report the initial mentor. They told me SE doesn't enforce their guidelines, or remove mentorship. That was a really bad case too. Again, this happened on my sprout alt, so for all intents and purposes I was a sprout to these people.

Sure, and if somebody robbing a bank could talk the guards into thinking that the law wouldn't be enforced, and nobody should report the crime, they walk away just fine.

Trust me, Saw a mentor eat a one week ban and stripped of the crown for life just the other week, they just have to get reported and caught breaking the rules.


Look, if nothing else, you see something like that in chat, highlight it, copy it, open the support tab, and paste it into a report under harrasment. Even playstation people have copy/paste it's in the onscreen keyboard, opens when the button under space it pressed.

Sure, it's not a full report, but they can look up what server your on, and use the report time as a timestamp, and see it happened, and go from there, if they want. Puts it in the hands of the GM's. Far better then letting it go and encouraging it.



Oh, and I found the reddit post that seems to have caused the rush of people coming out to scream at mentors on the forum...

Seems most of the people complaining loudest about mentors started to get down votes on reddit, makes sense they'd come to a place where they can't get negitive karma for it. It's actually doing my spirit good to read the comments for once.

[GeminiReed]

Oh, and I found the reddit post that seems to have caused the rush of people coming out to scream at mentors on the forum...

Seems most of the people complaining loudest about mentors started to get down votes on reddit, makes sense they'd come to a place where they can't get negitive karma for it. It's actually doing my spirit good to read the comments for once.

Yeah a shame that OP got so highly up-voted. The premise in the title wasn't bad but the context in the post itself was a whine about not getting carried by the mentor in Ramuh EX.

I fully support calls for removing EX from mentor roulette or at least making it optional. Even JP insists that people learn via PF.

[LisSquid]

Anyway, I do not think mentorship is a requirement for giving help in this game, as I was trying to say in that very quote.

Exactly.

I don't believe this "google is too hard" mindset people have, either. Dedicated players put in hours, if not days, into making easy to follow guides for people. There are several "Getting started! Important things you need to know about FFXIV!" Videos that cross my YT homepage every day. NN and the Mentor program are just asking shout chat with extra steps.

And before I get that "You went to Reddit and hate mentors". I am a Mentor and still find the system redundant.