Why does Warrior AoE have to be so much worse than other tanks?

[Goji1639]

Reposition the enemies? Its not that hard to tag whatever you have in front of you and then run through them so they follow, then most if not all are in the cone aoe range which is fairly large. This is also most likely a thing due to 1.0 aoes all having different types. MRD/WAR then was almost all cone type moves.

It takes FOREVER for mobs to actually register aggro, move in your direction and form up on you. If you're running forward with sprint on you'll be way out of range before everything has actually formed into a line behind you.

Also, since most healers seem to pregen nowadays for some reason, enemies tend to run straight for the healer when you take aggro, instead of forming up on you.

[Lunalepsy]

Decided to main WAR for a variety of reasons, but I just can't get over how needlessly clunky their AoE is.

First, it's the only tank that needs a target to do it's AoE combo. With how absolutely broken tab targeting is in this game that alone is enough to throw the WAR behind every other tank gameplay-wise.

Second, the frontal cone. Enemies don't gather in a cone in front of you, they gather in a circle around you, so if you don't constantly move to the edge of a group of enemies your AoE opener misses most of them, and then you have to move back to the center to get everything with the circular second hit.

Third, the lack of any kind of OCD AoE attack, which would make wall to wall pulling feel a lot better.

Now I realize that none of this actually matters because dungeons are so easy a naked healer could tank them, but this kind of stuff does grate on me.

Such a valid question.

[DeaconMoore]

Wait, you let the mobs encircle you? Do you just eat their telegraphed aoes too?
Did they change the game so you can avoid hits just as well coming from behind you as in front of you?
Do we really need to dumb the game down even further to faceroll ftw?

I ask because honestly I've never felt War to be limited with the AoEs, or Drk for that matter. I spend my time tanking a group of mobs balled up in front of me as I side step their AoEs against me and the rest of the party AoEs the ball down. And this positioning makes the cone AoEs of War and Drk effective.

[Goji1639]

Wait, you let the mobs encircle you? Do you just eat their telegraphed aoes too?
Did they change the game so you can avoid hits just as well coming from behind you as in front of you?
Do we really need to dumb the game down even further to faceroll ftw?

I ask because honestly I've never felt War to be limited with the AoEs, or Drk for that matter. I spend my time tanking a group of mobs balled up in front of me as I side step their AoEs against me and the rest of the party AoEs the ball down. And this positioning makes the cone AoEs of War and Drk effective.

Have you ever pulled more than 4 enemies at a time? Of course enemies encircle you; that's what they do by default. When you've got 20 mobs attached to you do you honestly just keep continuously repositioning yourself and the pull to make sure nothing is ever behind you?

I guess if you play like that then Warrior wouldn't feel clunky to you; at least not moreso than any other tank. DPS who drop stationary AoEs and Healers must hate you, though, lol.

[DeaconMoore]

Have you ever pulled more than 4 enemies at a time? Of course enemies encircle you; that's what they do by default. When you've got 20 mobs attached do you do you honestly just keep continuously repositioning yourself and the pull to make sure nothing is ever behind you?

I guess if you play like that then Warrior wouldn't feel clunky to you; at least not moreso than any other tank. DPS who drop stationary AoEs and Healers must hate you, though, lol.

Yes, I frequently pull lots of mobs at a time. The only time I pull 4 is when my random party seems incapable of handling more than that or that's all their is between the walls.

Did you not know that if you keep moving around they don't get the opportunity to encircle you and you can ball them up?? And you can drag that ball across stationary AoEs?

Why are you insisting on standing still so they can encircle you? You have the terrain to work with. LoS the ranged into your ball and keep manuevering around them to keep them in a ball. If your dps is paying attention they'll drop their static AoEs in the ball.

And no my DPS and healers never complain, they get a target rich deathball that guarantees nothing escapes their AoEs.

[Goji1639]

Yes, I frequently pull lots of mobs at a time. The only time I pull 4 is when my random party seems incapable of handling more than that or that's all their is between the walls.

Did you not know that if you keep moving around they don't get the opportunity to encircle you and you can ball them up?? And you can drag that ball across stationary AoEs?

Why are you insisting on standing still so they can encircle you? You have the terrain to work with. LoS the ranged into your ball and keep manuevering around them to keep them in a ball. If your dps is paying attention they'll drop their static AoEs in the ball.

And no my DPS and healers never complain, they get a target rich deathball that guarantees nothing escapes their AoEs.

So, you basically just tow the entire ball back and forth across the area, yanking it in and out of stationary AoEs and probably running out of range of AoE Heals.

Don't want to backseat drive you here, but I will give you some advice. As a tank your primary job is to keep the ball and yourself in one place. Avoid AoEs where you can, but beyond that you want to move as little as possible. Healers don't need you to be running all over creation trying to avoid flank damage; as long as you're using CDs you're already too easy to heal. The general idea is to kill things as fast as possible, and keeping the ball of enemies in one place is the best way to do that.

[Lonkkis]

You don't have to move alot to keep them in a nice tidy group instead of them circling you, so keeping them in stationary AoE is a non-issue.

[Goji1639]

You don't have to move alot to keep them in a nice tidy group instead of them circling you, so keeping them in stationary AoE is a non-issue.

Not sure what you mean. If you're running outside of the ball then the ball is going to adjust it's position to encircle you. If you're running back and forth inside the ball you're taking flank damage anyways. If you stand still and center yourself in stationary AoE damage then every enemy will converge on that AoE. If you run around trying to avoid flank damage the healer can EASILY heal through, you're just making the fight take longer and kind of being annoying.

Again, just advice. Dungeons are so easy that no matter what you do chances are no one will say anything to you.

[DeaconMoore]

So, you basically just tow the entire ball back and forth across the area, yanking it in and out of stationary AoEs and probably running out of range of AoE Heals.

Don't want to backseat drive you here, but I will give you some advice. As a tank your primary job is to keep the ball and yourself in one place. Avoid AoEs where you can, but beyond that you want to move as little as possible. Healers don't need you to be running all over creation trying to avoid flank damage; as long as you're using CDs you're already too easy to heal. The general idea is to kill things as fast as possible, and keeping the ball of enemies in one place is the best way to do that.

LOL

No I don't yank it all around, I stir it 'till it's dead. All the while within range of my healer, within the aoes, and keeping everything pointed away from the party as much as the game allows. All you have to do is pay attention to what is going on around you and keep moving around them, instead of insisting on standing there complaining that they encircled you and now your aoes don't hit them all.

And no you shouldn't be eating aoe's, you should avoid them if possible so the healer can holy/art of war/gravity more instead of healing you because you face tanked avoidable damage. Best case scenario you only take damage from auto attacks and uninterruptible spells during mob pulls.

When you stop moving and let them encircle you, you are spreading the group of mobs out. You have this movement called strafing, try it sometime. Use it to encircle your enemies instead of letting your enemies encircle you.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Never felt any problems with warrior's aoe, honestly they are absurdly strong in dungeons with their self healing you make the healer irrelevant. I don't have issues hitting all mobs in big pulls as they generally chase you down so all come from one side and you just whack them..
Really don't like how homogenised tanks are now and making everything even MORE samey would make them feel even more boring. I struggle to enjoy my dark knight anymore, my most beloved tank in Stormblood after all these changes and SE making it feel like a cheap warrior clone with the bloodspillers just being worse fell cleaves.