Who is your least favorite major character and why?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Okay so I've unfortunately made it to that scene again on my alt and my recollection wasn't perfect, but my point still stands.



Rarely have I wanted to throttle an NPC more than I do this jackass...



Good for her, honestly.



Either way, Hien's dead to me all over again. Unfortunate since I'll have to see his dumb mug for a while still...

Correct me if i’m wrong but that npc did that in his past right? As in wasn’t currently partaking in any of that anymore?He was currently a warrior fighting for the domans? He acknowledged he was in the wrong, but he at least moved on from that and became a soldier if i’m not mistaken. Yotsuyu’s whole arc is about how she too, could’ve moved on despite her past, however she instead chose to torment people and torture them constantly. Both of them did horrible things in their past but only one of them was actively working to repent for their sins.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Thancred. Grumpy all the time, can't get over his failings, no character growth really.

Plus I dislike womanizers

[Tsiron]

Correct me if i’m wrong but that npc did that in his past right? As in wasn’t currently partaking in any of that anymore?He was currently a warrior fighting for the domans? He acknowledged he was in the wrong, but he at least moved on from that and became a soldier if i’m not mistaken. Yotsuyu’s whole arc is about how she too, could’ve moved on despite her past, however she instead chose to torment people and torture them constantly. Both of them did horrible things in their past but only one of them was actively working to repent for their sins.

He can repent by falling off a cliff.

... but yeah, that's the gist of it. As I said, Yotsuyu got what she (was well aware she) deserved, but I genuinely did feel bad for her...

[Gameovers]

That was Aymeric. Estinien was unconscious at the time.

Point. It was still a stupid choice :c

[SeverianLyonesse]

Not enough Minfilia comments in this thread.

Whereas I can complain about very large flaws in most of the characters, even the worst of them at least have a personality, and talents, and goals.

Minfilia had only the most illusory of these basic character traits, and it seemed like even the writers conceded that when they shunted her into the farthest corners of the story instead of giving her the lead part in Stormblood, a role that--at least by broad strokes--was best suited for a character of her position and background. They couldn't justify it when Minfilia had done literally nothing for the story except get kidnapped repeatedly. And then they doubled down on that decision by writing a slightly better version of her with Ryne, who gets points for at least bringing some LGBT tokenism into the game.

By contrast, we can say that characters like Lyse or G'Raha are schizoid, or characters like Y'Shtola or Zenos are too static, but they all at least have aspects which are clearly defined and engaging. Yes, even Y'Sthola has witty moments and Zenos has a really cool character design. The two halves of Lyse and G'Raha are actually pretty decent characters in isolation. But Minfilia has always just been...present, a bland and unchanging manic pixie macguffin (and now she's just kind of always...omnipresent).

I can't hate on the other "bad" characters because I at least see evidence of the writers' efforts in the execution. Minfilia is I think the only character in the story where I simply can't find any evidence of effort.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Point. It was still a stupid choice :c

They sorta tried to handwave it a couple patches later by having Alphinaud mention that under the bridge is a swirling sea of chaotic aether that no mortal could hope to survive, with the implication that everyone in-story would already know it.....but then we have to remember that Alphinaud and the WoL should also know that their frequent enemies include the Ascians, who are not mortal.

[Gameovers]

They sorta tried to handwave it a couple patches later by having Alphinaud mention that under the bridge is a swirling sea of chaotic aether that no mortal could hope to survive, with the implication that everyone in-story would already know it.....but then we have to remember that Alphinaud and the WoL should also know that their frequent enemies include the Ascians, who are not mortal.

Thats why it's still bad. It also lead to a lackluster showing of the WoD. That whole arc was just lackluster and almost bad. People give stormblood flack but fail to rememeber how bad HW was after Niddhogg was finally killed. I guess my point is yes I remember them trying to handwave that away.. but they failed. That's all I'm saying.

[MoofiaBossVal]

Correct me if i’m wrong but that npc did that in his past right? As in wasn’t currently partaking in any of that anymore?He was currently a warrior fighting for the domans? He acknowledged he was in the wrong, but he at least moved on from that and became a soldier if i’m not mistaken. Yotsuyu’s whole arc is about how she too, could’ve moved on despite her past, however she instead chose to torment people and torture them constantly. Both of them did horrible things in their past but only one of them was actively working to repent for their sins.

Perhaps a more agreeable rationalization would have been "what Jifuya did was reprehensive, but it was legal at the time (slavery is still a thing in Ul'dah, and prostitution is a thing in Kugane, so this practice might have been a thing in Doma even before Garlemald came), and right now my kingdom is on very rocky ground and I can't go around punishing people who fought for me for stuff they did back then, lest I risk losing support". We had similar moral greyness with Merlwyb warring with the Sahagin back in the ARR patches, or Nanamo choosing to reject the Ala Mhigan refugees (using the law as her shield) but then breaking that very same law to try to welcome the Doman refugees.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Perhaps a more agreeable rationalization would have been "what Jifuya did was reprehensive, but it was legal at the time (slavery is still a thing in Ul'dah, and prostitution is a thing in Kugane, so this practice might have been a thing in Doma even before Garlemald came), and right now my kingdom is on very rocky ground and I can't go around punishing people who fought for me for stuff they did back then, lest I risk losing support". We had similar moral greyness with Merlwyb warring with the Sahagin back in the ARR patches, or Nanamo choosing to reject the Ala Mhigan refugees (using the law as her shield) but then breaking that very same law to try to welcome the Doman refugees.

That’s better put yeah. True too, it’s something i always thought was weird. A lot of people call Hien out for it but like…Uldah has the same issue. All the city states are scummy and shady.

[Nabril]

That Lalafel that always hung around Lyse when she was pretending to be her own sister. I couldn't stand him. His death gave me the feels and that was such a wonderfully noble sacrifice, but up until then, I did not enjoy his cut-scenes.