Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Please keep in mind that if you see someone doing strange things in Duty Finder it's more than likely because they are NEW TO THE GAME. I'm new and I probably have people wondering why I'm doing (or not doing) X,Y, or Z in Duty Finder because I don't know what the hell I'm doing yet. Please be nice, thanks in advance!

Except that's literally not what 99% of this thread is covering. People are pretty understanding about new players.

Players at level 65~80 are no longer new and are expected to have at least some basic idea of how to play their class and perform in a group setting. People at level cap have zero excuse for lacking knowledge in either fashion, and giving people a shite attitude when it's pointed out to them or they're asked to at least try to learn only worsens their position. People are not obligated to put up with someone playing like garbage at level cap. They have had plenty of time to learn by then.

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

Players at level 65~80 are no longer new and are expected to have at least some basic idea of how to play their class and perform in a group setting. People at level cap have zero excuse for lacking knowledge in either fashion, and giving people a shite attitude when it's pointed out to them or they're asked to at least try to learn only worsens their position. People are not obligated to put up with someone playing like garbage at level cap. They have had plenty of time to learn by then.

You're really no different than the World of Warcraft community, that's exactly the same attitude. People learn at different speeds, they might not have it all figured out by level 65. Some were painting the FF community as less toxic than WoW's and I think that is pure nonsense. People are the same everywhere and they are usually going to be selfish and intolerant.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

You're really no different than the World of Warcraft community, that's exactly the same attitude. People learn at different speeds, they might not have it all figured out by level 65. Some were painting the FF community as less toxic than WoW's and I think that is pure nonsense. People are the same everywhere and they are usually going to be selfish and intolerant.

If people expecting basic competency at a person's chosen job and role is 'toxic' to you, then I really don't know what to say.

Being new to a dungeon is one thing - you are not new to your class at 60+. You are not new to your role at 50+.

The game even teaches some of the bare bones basics of party play in Hall of the Novice, and still people at endgame will play like they've not got two braincells to rub together. There is no excuse for inflicting sheer laziness and a stubborn unwillingness to learn on other players. You are playing a team oriented game, and no one is obligated to carry you or teach you when you yourself have plenty of time and levels to do so for yourself.

By all means, if this is going to be your attitude going forward in your journey in XIV, then please stop while you're ahead. We already have more than enough with crappy attitudes like yours and we really don't need more, no matter what game they came from.

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

If people expecting basic competency at a person's chosen job and role is 'toxic' to you, then I really don't know what to say.

Being new to a dungeon is one thing - you are not new to your class at 60+. You are not new to your role at 50+.

The game even teaches some of the bare bones basics of party play in Hall of the Novice, and still people at endgame will play like they've not got two braincells to rub together. There is no excuse for inflicting sheer laziness and a stubborn unwillingness to learn on other players. You are playing a team oriented game, and no one is obligated to carry you or teach you when you yourself have plenty of time and levels to do so for yourself.

By all means, if this is going to be your attitude going forward in your journey in XIV, then please stop while you're ahead. We already have more than enough with crappy attitudes like yours and we really don't need more, no matter what game they came from.

If standing up for new or low skill players is a "crappy attitude" then I might take your advice, I've already had one less than stellar experience and you are providing me with yet another. Here's a tip for you though: You should probably be nice to new players or your game is going to end up the same way WoW did.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

If standing up for new or low skill players is a "crappy attitude" then I might take your advice, I've already had one less than stellar experience and you are providing me with yet another. Here's a tip for you though: You should probably be nice to new players or your game is going to end up the same way WoW did. No one wants to play with intolerant elitists who take video games too seriously.

Very doubtful, as the devs actually bother to listen to player feedback from all sides - casual and hardcore alike.

No one is obligated to be kind to you just because you're new, and especially not with a rancid and entitled attitude like yours. You come off like a child throwing a tantrum. You are not standing up for anyone, you're feeling attacked by things that aren't even about you. Most people don't expect perfection or raid level gameplay, they expect basic competence. Which for some reason, people like you equate to raid level standards, which is just ridiculous. Maybe stick to single player games if you can't handle the thought you actually have to put some effort into your gameplay so you aren't dragging down a bunch of other people you are playing with.

Also, you were complaining in another thread about Praetorium - one of the worst examples of dungeon design we've had and that the devs have merely slapped bandaids on over the years trying to fix it. People's ilevels are inflated, they are there for tomes and experience, they are not obligated to wait for you nor bend to your every entitled whim just because you're a new player. They already made cutscenes unskippable in there due to complaints from new players, and boosted the rewards people get because of it; but ilevel inflation means those dungeons are going to melt in seconds between cutscenes, that's just how the state of them are after all these years and the poor fixes to the situation. It sucks but it's better than it used to be, trust me.

Either way, you really need to get over yourself kid.

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

Very doubtful, as the devs actually bother to listen to player feedback from all sides - casual and hardcore alike.

No one is obligated to be kind to you just because you're new, and especially not with a rancid and entitled attitude like yours. You come off like a child throwing a tantrum. You are not standing up for anyone, you're feeling attacked by things that aren't even about you. Most people don't expect perfection or raid level gameplay, they expect basic competence. Which for some reason, people like you equate to raid level standards, which is just ridiculous. Maybe stick to single player games if you can't handle the thought you actually have to put some effort into your gameplay so you aren't dragging down a bunch of other people you are playing with.

Also, you were complaining in another thread about Praetorium - one of the worst examples of dungeon design we've had and that the devs have merely slapped bandaids on over the years trying to fix it. People's ilevels are inflated, they are there for tomes and experience, they are not obligated to wait for you nor bend to your every entitled whim just because you're a new player. They already made cutscenes unskippable in there due to complaints from new players, and boosted the rewards people get because of it; but ilevel inflation means those dungeons are going to melt in seconds between cutscenes, that's just how the state of them are after all these years and the poor fixes to the situation. It sucks but it's better than it used to be, trust me.

Either way, you really need to get over yourself kid.

You have no idea who I am, certainly not the type of person you are painting me as, I do think you take video games too seriously though. Secondly, I am not a kid, judging by your disrespectful tone I would wager that I am probably old enough to be your father, proper adults don't speak that way to people.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

You have no idea who I am, certainly not the type of person you are painting me as, I do think you take video games too seriously though. Secondly, I am not a kid, judging by your disrespectful tone I would wager that I am probably old enough to be your father, proper adults don't speak that way to people.

The way you react to someone - nay, an entire thread made expressly for venting - who expects only basic competence from other players, by slinging around things like "toxic" and "this community isn't so welcoming after all" says quite a lot about the sort of person you are. It is not taking a game seriously to want people in a team-oriented setting to pull their weight. Do you say it's "toxic" for people on a project to want everyone doing their equal part to see it finished, too? Do you say they're taking it "too seriously" when they make requests of underperformers to pull their weight and not put all the work on others?

You play with other people, not just yourself. If you can't even take the time to be courteous and be at least competent at your chosen role and job, then you are making the playtime of others a less pleasant experience and also taking up their time for the sake of your own. If you think that's in any way a defensible position to have, in an MMO or IRL, then you have some serious issues with entitlement.

So yes, you do come off like a child. Your age doesn't matter, only how you act.

So once again, get over yourself.

Not that you need to know, either, but a 1992 birthdate certainly doesn't make most people playing this game old enough to be a parent of mine. But you keep thinking yourself above others who tell you not to act like an bratty kid, bud. I'm sure it'll get you far in life.

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

By all means, if this is going to be your attitude going forward in your journey in XIV, then please stop while you're ahead. We already have more than enough with crappy attitudes like yours and we really don't need more, no matter what game they came from.

This is a fascinating discussion. Your replies have been extremely rude and intolerant and yet you are attempting to paint me as a villain, even calling me entitled. Weird. You do take video games far too seriously as evidenced by your diatribes, you will need to learn how to communicate with people in an adult manner or you're going to have a tough time in life honey-bunny. That's my hot tip for you, no charge.

[Seera1024]

You're really no different than the World of Warcraft community, that's exactly the same attitude. People learn at different speeds, they might not have it all figured out by level 65. Some were painting the FF community as less toxic than WoW's and I think that is pure nonsense. People are the same everywhere and they are usually going to be selfish and intolerant.

But by levels 60-80, Black Mages should have learned to not be Ice Mages.

Melee classes should be aware of positionals - not necessarily getting them all done or all done correctly, but attempting to do them.

Healers should be doing more than spamming their low level cure spell over and over again in high level content.

Should be aware to not stand in AoE's too much - unless you're a Black Mage figuring out your aetherial manipulation.

No one's expecting a new player to know the mechanics of a specific fight or be able to know the best place to place ley lines for a black mage on the first go through (or even the first few).

As for the toxicity:

Part of this thread's purpose has become a safe place for players to vent about their duty runs. It's healthier to vent frustrations out than it is to keep them in. And for many, it's helpful to vent to people who understand why you're frustrated. So for players who don't have any real life friends who play the game, this thread is the place they can go to vent without fear of being reported as long as they don't name and same in the process.

But because of that, this does have a tendency to paint the community as more toxic than it really is. When the player who vented may have been in the game stewing quietly or posting encouragement depending on the situation.

We do also have some players who will post their inspiring stories or their funny stories in here as well.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

This is a fascinating discussion. Your replies have been extremely rude and intolerant and yet you are attempting to paint me as a villain, even calling me entitled. Weird. You do take video games far too seriously as evidenced by your diatribes, you will need to learn how to communicate with people in an adult manner or you're going to have a tough time in life honey-bunny. That's my hot tip for you, no charge.

You came into the thread slinging insults at someone simply informing you that:

1) the thread isn't directed nor targetted at new players, as most people are understanding of those just starting out or learning a mechanic for the first time
2) the higher in levels someone is, the more it's expected for them to have gained some basic understanding and competency at the game and their job/role

Nowhere did I insult you in that initial post, but you went in swinging with crap like "toxic" and "no better than WoW" (why do you people think that's an insult lmao? do you hate the time you spent on it that much that you paint it bad whenever you get the chance?) immediately simply because you felt attacked by people expecting basic competency of their teammates. But sure, I'm the rude one for responding in kind after you showed yourself to be an entitled tantrum-thrower. Your leap in logic truly is fascinating.

Also don't act condescending. It's not cute and doesn't help you look any less like the whiny child you are. Though call me honey-bunny again and I might actually act up the way you seem to think I am.

Sorry that people expecting basic competency and the courteousness of not lumping all the work on other people, in a game setting or IRL, is taking things "too seriously" for you, but I certainly see why people'd have given you a bad time in WoW with that rancid attitude of yours.

For a third time: get over yourself, and grow up while you're at it. If anyone needs to learn how to communicate like an adult, it's you.

You are not entitled to me giving you any sort of respect with the way you act towards people. That's my hot take.