To all the LGTBQ players

[Nestama]

Which is odd when it comes to this thread, as it's just sharing moments people loved/enjoyed in FFXIV (which, again, was to counter a few now deleted threads that were very blatant). No "more representation" or anything within the OP, so no idea why certain individuals (some with less than 20 posts) are getting their feathers so ruffled and claiming that's what is happening.

I mean I technically do know why...

[Fatch38]

Not to speak for Fatch, but, imo, if we're supposed to be aiming for a world without prejudice, then it really shouldn't matter if the person in question loves the same gender, opposite gender, no gender, all genders, a specific type of identity, furries, Nintendo DS games, or their baking sheet. Ideally, in my opinion, we should be looking at a person for their overall character.

Otherwise, when it comes to a story, when we only care about a character for what they represent and not the character themselves, then the character is generally nothing but a one-dimensional shitpost/meme/joke waiting to happen. Fatch isn't saying to completely ignore the issue of sexuality, just not to make that the point of the character in the first place.



Speaking as someone who is openly homosexual (because, from my experience, that's going to matter to a lot of people here, in a moment), political correctness for the sake of political correctness is a problem because it forces hypocrisy and insincerity for the sake of forcing disingenuous "acceptance" in the name of fairness. If you want acceptance, it must be earned, much like respect and trust are things you foster.

Frankly, this take on Fatch's statement is liable to do more harm than good. From the outside looking in, to me, it looks like you took their statement the wrong way and started attacking heterosexuality just because they said they don't want the focus of characterizations to be on sexuality and you took that to mean they have something against LGBT. Frankly, this kind of reaction makes it look like we do have an agenda.


This is what Fatch is wanting to avoid. You're on paralel paths to the same conclusion, so try to converge and make a connection.

thanks finally someone who understand what i'm trying to say (english isn't my mother tongue trying my best ^^')

a good character will remain be a good character, it's not by putting randomly an lgbtq+ character into the game for the sake of it that it will make a good one (if it's not well written)

like i said we shouldn't care about someone gender/sexuality IRL then why should we in a game ? even if it can make ppl happy if it's put in a diary/sidequest or when you talk to random npc, i'm ok with it (and saying it for hetero characters too)

[AziraSyuren]

Trans person here. I appreciate the support.

Thread is another bad take factory thanks to Some People, though. Nothing new.

[Nestama]

thanks finally someone who understand what i'm trying to say (english isn't my mother tongue trying my best ^^')

a good character will remain be a good character, it's not by putting randomly an lgbtq+ character into the game for the sake of it that it will make a good one (if it's not well written)

like i said we shouldn't care about someone gender/sexuality IRL then why should we in a game ? even if it can make ppl happy if it's put in a diary/sidequest or when you talk to random npc, i'm ok with it (and saying it for hetero characters too)

That's not what this thread is about, though...

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

You can tell a lot about people by how they come into positive threads spewing hate and bigoted dogwhistling, tbh.

On topic though, from my baby MSQ adventures: A quest chain that, when doing it in the moment, is more irritating than funny, yet becomes pretty hilarious once you finish it up.

Everyone remembers the section right before Garuda, I'm sure - we just had a long knockdown drag-out in Coerthas just to find a bloody airship, we're ready to take on this primal! Aaaaaand... Cid needs a corrupted crystal so we can get through her protective storm. Fair enough! Off we're sent to a researcher who will help us. Now I feel like this questline did get trimmed a bit, as I'm sure Lamberteint (sp?) didn't used to give us a fully prepared and warded pot before, but don't quote me on that. So we follow his directions, head to his student at Highbridge, run down through the Burning Wall and bring back the crystal.

And it's the wrong type of crystal we need! A little annoying, but oh well - he promises to send us to someone who can help us. Thus we head to Aleport and go about figuring out how to get on the Isles of Umbra and why no one's allowed there. The guy at the gate on the Isles says if we get rid of whatever's causing the dead to rise, he'll grab us our crystal. One Siren driven off later, and we are returning with crystal in hand to our researcher friend......... who proceeds to tell us it is yet again the wrong type of crystal. Okay, this is getting a little tiring now, but sure.

Off to Gridania, where Cid and Alphinaud are awaiting us as we get sent all over on goose chases. The final student says we should find the crystal we need in... the belly of a spriggan. Lovely. Head to Central, slap the Biggy, dig through his innards for it, finally it's over! And then the student jokes that oops, wrong one! No actually just kidding. The pain is over and we can finally move on to go fight Garuda.

Very irritating series of quests while in the process of doing them, but it's definitely kind of funny to look back on.

[Snorky]

I think one of the most ironic and funny scenes for me was recently I just got to the crystarium and was doing the tour quest and the npc says something like we have many items that may be familiar to you and the camera pans over to a table and there sitting on top is what appears to be cell phones (which brings me back to the real world)but that's okay because the camera pans back and my character is shaking her head like OMG I can't get away from the real world. I just found it funny and ironic. Those moments are why I love this story.

I believe in live and let live, there is not enough love of any kind in this world so anyone who loves another person should never be judged for others preconceived notions of what is right and wrong. Personally I wouldn't care if more diverse content is added or not as long as it's part of the story it only enhances our enjoyment.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I think one of the most ironic and funny scenes for me was recently I just got to the crystarium and was doing the tour quest and the npc says something like we have many items that may be familiar to you and the camera pans over to a table and there sitting on top is what appears to be cell phones (which brings me back to the real world)but that's okay because the camera pans back and my character is shaking her head like OMG I can't get away from the real world. I just found it funny and ironic. Those moments are why I love this story.

The joke there was those "cellphones" were actually tomestones - the things we're forced to collect time and again for gear upgrades from Rowena and her girls. Even on the First, there's no escaping the tomestone grind. Rowena exists as an Eldritch entity that feeds on our sweat and tears. She is everywhere and always. There is nowhere to run to get away from her. We can cross time and space to another piece of a broken world - and there she'll be, with a grin and an open palm, awaiting our tribute to her.

(But yes, that scene made me bust out laughing too. So many good moments in ShB.)

[Lenivy]

You gave yourself away with the "political correctness" dog whistle there. Begone troll.

you are pathetic

[Snorky]

The joke there was those "cellphones" were actually tomestones - the things we're forced to collect time and again for gear upgrades from Rowena and her girls. Even on the First, there's no escaping the tomestone grind. Rowena exists as an Eldritch entity that feeds on our sweat and tears. She is everywhere and always. There is nowhere to run to get away from her. We can cross time and space to another piece of a broken world - and there she'll be, with a grin and an open palm, awaiting our tribute to her.

(But yes, that scene made me bust out laughing too. So many good moments in ShB.)

Ahh ha! They look like cell phones I didn't realize they were tombstones bit I guess that fits too. Pardon me just so you understand I grew up with a rotary dial black desk phone. Mom wouldn't spring for the really long cord. Having a phone back then you asked permission to use it. At least in my parents house you did. Tombstones=cell phones for sure.

[Iscah]

tombstones

Tomestones. E-books, not grave markers.


*quietly grumbles at whoever didn't think to call them tomeliths like the big ones*