Lack of pve content

[Wavaryen]

Like I said before. Players feel the need to attack each other over ideas, or content getting added because the developers themselves said they had to cut content out or limited time resources to add things they want. So any content gets add is at the cost of other content at the time. So that makes players feel like we should attack each other when you dare suggest something the other side does not want.


It is fun to watch.

[TTiscancer]

Honestly I would prefer that there was more challenging pve content in FFXIV. Its a reason why i love playing games. The achievement, The difficulty The challenge. And even though I may not have gotten to it all, I know it is there when I have the time for it

I have nothing against those that love a more casual approach with less time on your hands however, shb did feature less content overall in comparison to its predecessors. We use covid as an excuse, however there was mass reworks going on (looking at you revamped crafter/gather classes) So I'm not going to get to down on the devs for a crappy year

With the influx of new people I hope we get better pvp content and more challenging dungeon content, that isnt just pull everything in a straight line aoe down to the next boss. Everything feels so "samey". Its not a bad thing to voice those concerns. 14 needs this feedback to improve the game. I even wish for a savage 24 man alliance raid honestly, like they did with DR. How cool with that be!

Gets a little tiring with people calling for others to play something different if this game don't have what your looking for when they want the game they have time for to improve. Its not a bad thing

People need to chill and allow for constructive criticism , which people take as a personal attack for some odd reason. Not everything the devs do is written in gold.

If they add contet Y, they won't add content x, how is that so hard to comprehend?

People don't want them to focus on hard raids BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. Do you get it? Do you?

You people seem to think time doesn't exist inside a development studio, and that SE has infinite resources.

Also, before someone comes with "well they should hire more people then lolol". That wouldn't fix the issue in years, because it would take years before they would know the tools, engine and systems well enough to actually contribute as other people would need to train them which would cut their contribution to a minimum.

MSQ, Normal raids, normal trials, normal dungeons and deep dungeons/Bozjan is the meat of the game. Savege, EX and PvP is just side-content. If you don't like that, then I'll repeat myself once again, play something else, because it's not going to change.

[Greyhawk]

We had 3 savages and 1 ultimates, which is equivalent to 1 week + 5 days prog (I assume TEA is 1 week prog), I will round to 2 week prog

2 week prog in Wow is 2 Mythical raids, they have 3-4 mythical raids (without even considering Heroic raids) per extension

Why such lack of pve content ? for a MMORPG that want to become better/the #1

(I still consider FF14 better than WOW overall, but this lack of pve content is a bit upsetting)

Because this isn't WoW, and shouldn't be compared to it. Not even the developers want to be compared to that dumpster runoff of a game. By the way, this game is far from lacking PvE content.

You are also lacking in the understanding of the culture where this is based, and it is not a Western game.

[Theodric]

Because this isn't WoW, and shouldn't be compared to it. Not even the developers want to be compared to that dumpster runoff of a game. By the way, this game if far from lacking PvE content.

Yoshi-P has actually spoken frequently on the subject of WoW and has expressed the claim that he is a fan of it himself. Recent controversies aside, the game is famous for good reason - it effectively put MMO's on the map in the eyes of mainstream audiences and given that this is a sub-forum mostly comprised of European and American players then one of the most ground breaking MMO's in existence is naturally going to be used where comparisons are concerned.

We can also look to the likes of GW2 and ESO in addition to WoW.

What would you suggest people compare FFXIV to if not those three MMO's? Especially when the lead developer is on record as stating that his team played other MMO's to see what they could take on board as inspiration after 1.0 was deemed a complete failure?

[TTiscancer]

Yoshi-P has actually spoken frequently on the subject of WoW and has expressed the claim that he is a fan of it himself. Recent controversies aside, the game is famous for good reason - it effectively put MMO's on the map in the eyes of mainstream audiences and given that this is a sub-forum mostly comprised of European and American players then one of the most ground breaking MMO's in existence is naturally going to be used where comparisons are concerned.

We can also look to the likes of GW2 and ESO in addition to WoW.

What would you suggest people compare FFXIV to if not those three MMO's? Especially when the lead developer is on record as stating that his team played other MMO's to see what they could take on board as inspiration after 1.0 was deemed a complete failure?

WoW is 100% focused on raiding and Mythic+, everything else is literally irrelevant because all the systems are designed to support those activities, and that's why the game is in the shitter.

Comparing FF14 to WoW is fine, thinking FF14 should aspire to that is utterly moronic because there are probably 50 dead wow clones out there.

Raiding should be something to aspire to, to work towards, not the reason to exist.

[Sotaris]

Yoshi-P has actually spoken frequently on the subject of WoW and has expressed the claim that he is a fan of it himself. Recent controversies aside, the game is famous for good reason - it effectively put MMO's on the map in the eyes of mainstream audiences and given that this is a sub-forum mostly comprised of European and American players then one of the most ground breaking MMO's in existence is naturally going to be used where comparisons are concerned.

We can also look to the likes of GW2 and ESO in addition to WoW.

What would you suggest people compare FFXIV to if not those three MMO's? Especially when the lead developer is on record as stating that his team played other MMO's to see what they could take on board as inspiration after 1.0 was deemed a complete failure?

Consider how some forum members moves the goalpost to what we are "allowed" to compare the game to wherever its endgame content or monetization, it's like talking to the void or a brickwall.

[Greyhawk]

Yoshi-P has actually spoken frequently on the subject of WoW and has expressed the claim that he is a fan of it himself. Recent controversies aside, the game is famous for good reason - it effectively put MMO's on the map in the eyes of mainstream audiences and given that this is a sub-forum mostly comprised of European and American players then one of the most ground breaking MMO's in existence is naturally going to be used where comparisons are concerned.

We can also look to the likes of GW2 and ESO in addition to WoW.

What would you suggest people compare FFXIV to if not those three MMO's? Especially when the lead developer is on record as stating that his team played other MMO's to see what they could take on board as inspiration after 1.0 was deemed a complete failure?

It doesn't need to be compared at all. They have their own agenda, they don't release content like others do to "compete" with the other MMOs. Of course people are going to play other games to get ideas, but that doesn't mean you model trash for trash. You don't learn only what people like, but what they also dislike in a game. FFXIV isn't perfect, and things like housing is a near total trainwreck but at least it does have housing. WoW if I remember right, still doesn't have housing, right? Something that's been asked for implementation for years. "Duly noted" is the developer response. PvP isn't big in FFXIV either. Yes, it's there. No, it's not huge.

Again, culture-based. You are really comparing apples to oranges with these games too. Different mindsets on how things are here, and you can probably find things in FFXIV that aren't structured anywhere else. That's what makes it stand out.

I won't mention the toxicity of player base between the two, but it is noticeable and does make the a game what it is.

[Solebound]

If they add contet Y, they won't add content x, how is that so hard to comprehend?

People don't want them to focus on hard raids BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. Do you get it? Do you?

You people seem to think time doesn't exist inside a development studio, and that SE has infinite resources.

Also, before someone comes with "well they should hire more people then lolol". That wouldn't fix the issue in years, because it would take years before they would know the tools, engine and systems well enough to actually contribute as other people would need to train them which would cut their contribution to a minimum.

MSQ, Normal raids, normal trials, normal dungeons and deep dungeons/Bozjan is the meat of the game. Savege, EX and PvP is just side-content. If you don't like that, then I'll repeat myself once again, play something else, because it's not going to change.

First of all you need to relax. Second of all who is you people? Why are you so hostile?

Your taking all this feedback as a personal attack on YOUR PLAY STYLE!

Because some of us want improved pvp maps and skills? improved dungeons that don't feel monotonous?

Improved classes that don't feel homogenized? (healers/tanks)

Do i speak for all midcore pve players? No. Do you speak for all casuals? Not everything is a personal affront goddam no wonder others look at this post and go "there goes the toxic casuals again"

I swear to you just because people are looking for something challenging is not going to take away from you emoting in limsa for 12+ hours a day.

I'm pretty sure because of feedback we got ultimate raiding. Back when i was heavy raiding heavensward we did not have that, but it came to be because the community wanted it despite what you are angrily typing about.

You think I don't understand content like that takes time?? Dont you think I would be ok with that? I'm asking for improved pvp for godsakes which is heavily ignored

God forbid someone wants their experience in the game they love to be a little bit better.

In before you tell me to go play another game. No I play this game because I love this game, I pay a monthly sub to this game and I want this game to be better.

[TTiscancer]

First of all you need to relax. Second of all who is you people? Why are you so hostile?

Your taking all this feedback as a personal attack on YOUR PLAY STYLE!

Because some of us want improved pvp maps and skills? improved dungeons that don't feel monotonous?

Improved classes that don't feel homogenized? (healers/tanks)

Do i speak for all midcore pve players? No. Do you speak for all casuals? Not everything is a personal affront goddam no wonder others look at this post and go "there goes the toxic casuals again"

I swear to you just because people are looking for something challenging is not going to take away from you emoting in limsa for 12+ hours a day.

I'm pretty sure because of feedback we got ultimate raiding. Back when i was heavy raiding heavensward we did not have that, but it came to be because the community wanted it despite what you are angrily typing about.

You think I don't understand content like that takes time?? Dont you think I would be ok with that? I'm asking for improved pvp for godsakes which is heavily ignored

God forbid someone wants their experience in the game they love to be a little bit better.

In before you tell me to go play another game. No I play this game because I love this game, I pay a monthly sub to this game and I want this game to be better.

I've done more mythic raids and dungeons in wow that you'll ever do, even if you started now and made it your life goal.

I simply don't go to other games and post endlessly about how the game should change to the game I don't wanna play anymore cause that would be... UTTERLY MORONIC

[KizuyaKatogami]

FFXIV isn't perfect, and things like housing is a near total trainwreck but at least it does have housing. WoW if I remember right, still doesn't have housing, right? Something that's been asked for implementation for years. "Duly noted" is the developer response.

How many people have been asking for a character customization expansion to be added. Since the beginning of the game. “Please look forward to it.” Has been Yoshi P’s response yet we’ve seen nothing for it. If i’m not mistaken WoW, along with some other mmo’s have expanded upon their character creation more than once. Hell, just this expansion they said they had heard the woes of viera and hrothgar and were going to implement new hairstyles for them yet, we never saw that. Both games the developers leave empty promises and lies. This isn’t exclusive to either one.