A warning to FFXIV players

[MikkoAkure]

Kinda funny that people complain about cash shops in MMOs when subscription fees and costs of the actual games have been largely static for 20 years but dev costs and inflation have gone way up since then.

As long as it's not predatory and it remains completely optional, I don't see the reason why they shouldn't. If they do something players don't like, then players won't buy and the market will speak.

[Sotaris]

Are we now setting arbitrary measures as to deem what is considered "enough"?

I would rather pay a monthly fee, where the resources go into retaining said fee, and in turn, boosting sub numbers.

Fair. But do they make enough alone on subscription fees to maintain the game, development (is very expensive), servers, infrastructure etc etc ?

The cash shop exist for a reason and so far they haven't done anything to extreme imo..
and I don't mean to come off as a sheep here i'm just trying to think realistic and also taking into account my own experiences in my profession in IT development.

I think it's safe to assume that the cash shop doesn't make the difference between operating on a loss or not.

Mhm, but the question was whever the subscription fee is enough or if the cash shop is required for the longterm profit expection to keep the upper management happy and not kill the game.

To give money to investors.
Pay juice extra checks at the end of the month.

Some bonuses here and there for diferent CEO and higher up positions. Yeah.

Are you just guessing or is this known? Square Enix isn't Activition-Blizzard as far I know.

I'm sure Matsuda (SQEN CEO) gets paid appropriately but when Yoshida says revenue from the mogstation/store front goes back into the game, I believe him. Of course he could be lying for PR but he done enough good to earn my trust until proven otherwise. However, that doesn't mean I approve with all decisions they made with the game.

[Velnora]

Fair. But do they make enough alone on subscription fees to maintain the game, development (is very expensive), servers, infrastructure etc etc ?

The cash shop exist for a reason and so far they haven't done anything to extreme imo..
and I don't mean to come off as a sheep here i'm just trying to think realistic and also taking into account my own experiences in my profession in IT development.

I think it's safe to assume that the cash shop doesn't make the difference between operating on a loss or not.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

The cash shop exist for a reason

To give money to investors.
Pay juice extra checks at the end of the month.

Some bonuses here and there for diferent CEO and higher up positions. Yeah.

[Velnora]

Kinda funny that people complain about cash shops in MMOs when subscription fees and costs of the actual games have been largely static for 20 years but dev costs and inflation have gone way up since then.

As long as it's not predatory and it remains completely optional, I don't see the reason why they shouldn't. If they do something players don't like, then players won't buy and the market will speak.

Some players lack the ability to see they are getting screwed over. Look at sports games.

[TheMightyMollusk]

To give money to investors.
Pay juice extra checks at the end of the month.

Some bonuses here and there for diferent CEO and higher up positions. Yeah.

Short of cutting yourself completely off the grid and living in a cave in the mountains, you're gonna be a party to that no matter what you do.

[KayRadley]

Well good golly, Miss Molly, it's a damn good thing no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy the Chase Cruiser mount!

[Wavaryen]

Are we now setting arbitrary measures as to deem what is considered "enough"?

I would rather pay a monthly fee, where the resources go into retaining said fee, and in turn, boosting sub numbers.

And I would rather have a cash shop that goes back into the game like Yoshi P said it does. Than pay 25 dollars a month. Making games, and costs are going up. Our MMO fee has stayed the same. By all rights it should be going up over the years but it does not. This is a great middle ground. Cash shop lets us have cheap sub fees.



You are welcome. You are getting a good deal by having a cash shop.

[Juzjuzz]

The Mogstation is not the issue - its the perceptions and expectations of some players that is the issue.

Yeah the mogstation itself is no problem in the end, it's not like it's getting in the way of the gameplay (play e4s and you get a mount for 4 players, i think the ff15 mount is coming back as well). But imo ppl getting dissapointed for the new mount is understandable. It's a iconic boss from a raid after all, not just something on the side. But there was already sleipnir in mogstation already so other ones in the same style will come. But it's not like showing my credit card is the best activity ever, if i were to choose i want to do something in game to get a mount or nothing.

I'm just hoping that all the good mounts won't go slowly in the mog station. I resisted the chocobo carriage, the fat cat and the magic carpet. Time to resist again.

[Velnora]

And I would rather have a cash shop that goes back into the game like Yoshi P said it does. Than pay 25 dollars a month. Making games, and costs are going up. Our MMO fee has stayed the same. By all rights it should be going up over the years but it does not. This is a great middle ground. Cash shop lets us have cheap sub fees.



You are welcome. You are getting a good deal by having a cash shop.

Just because he said it does, doesn't mean it does. Considering less dungeons come out in a patch *One example*, evidence points towards that reinvesting profits into the game, is not the case.