How to mesure SE healer design success?

[Roeshel]

I'm sure there's going to be a surge in healers next expansion, for good or ill. Recency bias will come into play as people try out the new job. I hope Square doesn't take that uptick in healers to necessarily mean they've "fixed" healers.

I will most definitely play Sage and most likely main it. It's the next manly looking healer if I can call it like that after SCH and most likely the class will be overpowered in a sense but not too broken. I think they would do that to incentivize more ppl to play Sage. Didn't something similar happen with dancer and bard, dancer ending up being stronger than bard in almost every aspect?

[GrimGale]

I will most definitely play Sage and most likely main it. It's the next manly looking healer if I can call it like that after SCH and most likely the class will be overpowered in a sense but not too broken. I think they would do that to incentivize more ppl to play Sage. Didn't something similar happen with dancer and bard, dancer ending up being stronger than bard in almost every aspect?

AST wasn't Overpowered when it came out. In fact it was the opposite. Healing wise it was the weakest in both potencies and MP economy. Now it was quickly buffed to the point it surpassed both SCH and WHM a few patches after 3.0. Not every new Job was OP at the start I'd say. But chances are Sage will definitely change the meta in someway.

[Semirhage]

AST wasn't Overpowered when it came out. In fact it was the opposite. Healing wise it was the weakest in both potencies and MP economy. Now it was quickly buffed to the point it surpassed both SCH and WHM a few patches after 3.0. Not every new Job was OP at the start I'd say. But chances are Sage will definitely change the meta in someway.

Correct. Though it's not quite enough of a pattern to say for sure, I know a lot of people (myself included) who suspect that AST's garbage can-tier release prompted Square to err in the opposite direction for subsequent jobs. Pretty much everything after AST has leaned more toward overpowered on release since they were overly cautious with AST.

[Deceptus]

I know it's completely subjective but "fun" is important as well. How a job generally feels.

A job can be decently balance, and playable but if it's boring / not fun what's the point?

[Mortex]

AST wasn't Overpowered when it came out. In fact it was the opposite. Healing wise it was the weakest in both potencies and MP economy. Now it was quickly buffed to the point it surpassed both SCH and WHM a few patches after 3.0. Not every new Job was OP at the start I'd say. But chances are Sage will definitely change the meta in someway.

I’m pretty sure at this point it’s a running gag in the job balance department. Making astro at the start of every expansion so bad you get punished for playing it only for it too get hyper buffed and be the best healer at the end of every expansion. It’s gonna happen again 100 % as long as the job balance team has no healer main who plays all the 3 healer jobs .

[MintnHoney]

Reddit had a Job Satisfaction poll (though I'd call it more of a survey, if you read through the responses) last year, which had been brought to the forums for discussion. In the end, many of the forum users dismissed it for various reasons (being on reddit, not asking the right question, validity of statistics, etc.), but I think it was a step in the right direction for what you're trying to figure out.
Otherwise, determining the success for the design of the role would mean determining the factors that go in to deeming it a success and seeing how well the role is able to meet that factor, and job satisfaction would be only one of the factors.

[Fellgon]

I know it's completely subjective but "fun" is important as well. How a job generally feels.

A job can be decently balance, and playable but if it's boring / not fun what's the point?

if a game that its capable of holding players for more than 10 years, isnt fun, i dont know what could be.

[MintnHoney]

if a game that its capable of holding players for more than 10 years, isnt fun, i dont know what could be.

A game can be fun overall but still have parts that are not fun.
The Healer role tends to be one such part for this game.

[Semirhage]

if a game that its capable of holding players for more than 10 years, isnt fun, i dont know what could be.

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[Fellgon]

A game can be fun overall but still have parts that are not fun.
The Healer role tends to be one such part for this game.

Astrologian was fun wen it was full of cards buffs, now, they removed all those variety of buff to do all same thing.