When will fans turn on Yoshi P?

[TeraRamis]

The disdain the WoW community has with it's developers is way more complex and rooted deeper than just "Getting an expansion wrong." If you somehow think that all It would take for fans of FFXIV to show the level of distrust and contempt towards Yoshi P. is messing up a single expansion, you truly don't understand this game or it's community.

That disdain is well-earned. In fact, setting aside recent events, it's largely disdain that's bred from disdain. If Ion Hazzikostas wasn't such an aloof, taciturn, arrogant git, people might have at least had a bit of good will left going into the whole sexual harassment scandal. Modern Blizzard doesn't talk to the playerbase - at all. They don't have class leads anymore; they don't field questions (outside of Blizzcon, where - unsurprisingly - they've frequently been embarrassed by inquiries shouted at them from the bleachers); they don't talk about their vision for the game; they don't ask their customer base what they want - they act like they've done nothing but poop golden eggs for the past 2 decades.

So it would take a turnabout of that magnitude on the part of SE's top brass to see something similar occur here. Blizzard's fans aren't (or weren't) the petulant children that Blizzard collectively saw them as - not until they were treated like imbeciles. Amazingly, when you're openly scornful of your bread and butter, things tend to go south fast - especially when your executives can't keep it in their pants on the side.

[Vahlnir]

That disdain is well-earned. In fact, setting aside recent events, it's largely disdain that's bred from disdain. If Ion Hazzikostas wasn't such an aloof, taciturn, arrogant git, people might have at least had a bit of good will left going into the whole sexual harassment scandal. Modern Blizzard doesn't talk to the playerbase - at all. They don't have class leads anymore; they don't field questions (outside of Blizzcon, where - unsurprisingly - they've frequently been embarrassed by inquiries shouted at them from the bleachers); they don't talk about their vision for the game; they don't ask their customer base what they want - they act like they've done nothing but poop golden eggs for the past 2 decades.

So it would take a turnabout of that magnitude on the part of SE's top brass to see something similar occur here. Blizzard's fans aren't (or weren't) the petulant children that Blizzard collectively saw them as - not until they were treated like imbeciles. Amazingly, when you're openly scornful of your bread and butter, things tend to go south fast - especially when your executives can't keep it in their pants on the side.

[Ronduwil]

That disdain is well-earned. In fact, setting aside recent events, it's largely disdain that's bred from disdain.

Can you imagine if SE decided that Aetheryte Crystals were destroying the open world and making it feel less alive, so they unilaterally deleted most of them without any warning or feedback so that they could arbitrarily have only one per zone? I don't think anyone who exclusively plays this game can even imagine that happening. Blizzard pretty much did this a couple of years ago when they removed a ton of portals from WoW. When players complained on the forums, they doubled down on their stance that they did it to bring the open world and the major cities back to life. I see far more people in the open world in FFXIV than I ever saw in WoW. It's funny how a game that allows flying without time gates and provides cheap instant teleportation still manages to feel alive. It's almost like if you actually provide stuff to do in the world, people will engage with it. Forcing engagement by removing convenience is about the laziest design philosophy I've ever encountered.

[Aldath]

It's almost like if you actually provide stuff to do in the world, people will engage with it. Forcing engagement by removing convenience is about the laziest design philosophy I've ever encountered.

Saying there is stuff to do in FFXIV's overworld is a huge overstatement.

[KitingGenbu]

Saying there is stuff to do in FFXIV's overworld is a huge overstatement.

I will say that one thing WoW has kind of gotten right since Legion (maybe less so in Shadowlands) is the ability to draw people to particular areas for a certain period of time of the day, like via Assaults etc. Hunts and FATEs dont have the same kind of gravity and duration as a particular area being bombarded by an invasion for a few hours with either certain objectives to be done for higher level gear or even for accelerated EXP rates (even if its only like doing objectives for a big chunk of exp once per assault type).

[Atelier-Bagur]

I will say that one thing WoW has kind of gotten right since Legion (maybe less so in Shadowlands) is the ability to draw people to particular areas for a certain period of time of the day, like via Assaults etc. Hunts and FATEs dont have the same kind of gravity and duration as a particular area being bombarded by an invasion for a few hours with either certain objectives to be done for higher level gear or even for accelerated EXP rates (even if its only like doing objectives for a big chunk of exp once per assault type).

You have no idea how desperate I wish FFXIV had this content for its overworld.

[Jeeqbit]

Saying there is stuff to do in FFXIV's overworld is a huge overstatement.

Depends on your perspective. They were aware of this problem and added some things to the open world to give you things to do back in ARR and have continued to add it in each expansion:

• Hunts (hunt trains, chance-based S rank spawn conditions, hunt board hunting)
• Treasure maps
• Sightseeing logs

Which added to the already existing open world content:

• FATEs
• Gathering nodes
• Beast tribe quests
• Quests generally

It's not necessarily nothing. Like always, just because you don't engage with content doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't fun for many people. These activities are extremely popular and done by lots of people.

FATEs are farmed for relics, beast tribes and gemstones and boss FATEs like Odin for their rewards. At lower levels, sprouts do FATEs for leveling because they don't know much about the game yet. Gathering and S rank spawning can be a rabbit hole of their own. Beast tribes take you to certain zones daily for the daily quests. You see map parties all the time if you fly around areas enough and hunt trains are pretty common as well if you wait in an area for up to several hours.

Could it be better or have more? Sure, but it's wrong to say there is nothing just because you don't personally engage with it or enjoy it.