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    "Sorry, I thought you were gonna pull more since you moved all the way here. I went a little too far. My apologies." should be enough. It the tank throws a tantrum after that, then simply schrug it off.

    Also, you shouldn't run into this issue frequently. There's no reason to hug the tank so much that you can't stop in time when they do. As you said in your edit, this is a very specific situation. It seems that you're generalizing something that shouldn't have happened more than once or twice.
    If you can't tell when a tank is going to stop, simply keep your distances. It doesn't matter if you miss a GCD or whatnot in a dungeon.

    Finally, this game has roles. And one role of the tank is to pull enemies. This is not the healer nor the DPS' job. Your gameplay isn't being compelled by other as much as it's being compelled by the game itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    This is not the healer nor the DPS' job
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    nothing keeps anyone else from pulling enemies and then moving them towards the tank who can easily pick those enemies up with 1 (one) AOE aside from the tank's ego
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
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    nothing keeps anyone else from pulling enemies and then moving them towards the tank who can easily pick those enemies up with 1 (one) AOE aside from the tank's ego
    Or you could just finish those which are stuck on the tank and let them get the next group(s).
    I am pretty sure those who frequently tank know of their limits, while they remain unsure about the skill of the healer they have in the group and perhaps play it a bit safer than usual.

    And, yes, many still can't keep up with clearing groups fast enough, so it becomes a problem for the tank/healer. Bardam's Mettle and the first groups in Holminister Switch/Dohn Mheg are clear examples of this.
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    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Or you could just finish those which are stuck on the tank and let them get the next group(s).
    I am pretty sure those who frequently tank know of their limits, while they remain unsure about the skill of the healer they have in the group and perhaps play it a bit safer than usual.

    And, yes, many still can't keep up with clearing groups fast enough, so it becomes a problem for the tank/healer. Bardam's Mettle and the first groups in Holminister Switch/Dohn Mheg are clear examples of this.
    or you could pull big, test your and the group's limit with pull sizes and adjust accordingly afterwrds instead of being scared about possibly dying and wiping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    or you could pull big, test your and the group's limit with pull sizes and adjust accordingly afterwrds instead of being scared about possibly dying and wiping
    When I pull, I pull big. Or, used to, in pugs.
    And believe me, there are enough cases where I end up hitting the dirt in the above said dungeons, even with defensive cooldowns fired. Either by healers/DPS not equipped/skillful enough to clear the groups fast enough.

    At times it really shows that leveling in potd/hoh makes for subpar players when facing actual dungeons that are somewhat demanding.

    Seeing Black Mages still using Transpose in Level 72+ rotations shows how much DPS care for staying on top with their job.
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    Father Gascoigne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
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    nothing keeps anyone else from pulling enemies and then moving them towards the tank who can easily pick those enemies up with 1 (one) AOE aside from the tank's ego
    Nothing keeps the tank from not picking up any additional mobs the DPS unilaterally decides to burden the entire group with either. There's nothing stopping anyone from being inconsiderate in this game really, so long as you don't announce bad intentions in chat.

    Still, it's funny how DPS defend their technical ability to be inconsiderate and then get offended that the tank might be inconsiderate in response.

    "You pull it, you tank it" isn't the polite response, but it's a completely fair response to a DPS running ahead and pulling.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 08-07-2021 at 01:34 AM.

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    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Nothing keeps the tank from not picking up any additional mobs the DPS unilaterally decides to burden the entire group with either. There's nothing stopping anyone from being inconsiderate in this game really, so long as you don't announce bad intentions in chat.

    Still, it's funny how DPS defend their technical ability to be inconsiderate and then get offended that the tank might be inconsiderate in response.
    the tank's job is to hold aggro of the enemies and thus is not doing his job if he's letting the DPS keep it despite having all the tools available to take it from them
    also; laughs in mantra, bloodbath, fists and riddle of earth
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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    the tank's job is to hold aggro of the enemies and thus is not doing his job if he's letting the DPS keep it despite having all the tools available to take it from them
    also; laughs in mantra, bloodbath, fists and riddle of earth
    A DPS that's running ahead to pull instead of AoEing down the enemies in the existing fight isn't doing his job correctly either.

    No one's obligated to perform their job perfectly, though. Maybe the DPS wants to run ahead and pull instead of DPSing, and maybe I want to do my single target rotation to passively heal myself for a bit and don't end up picking up what the DPS pulled as a result.
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