Tanks Pulling Trains (Who's Wrong?)

[ninninin]

I think Trust tank don't do wall to wall pull am I correct? But regardless, Tank died because whm did not spam holy is hardly the case. Since Holy can only stun for 3 times. If Tank died in a trash pull it would because the damage taken per second exceeded the hp restored per second and manage to deplete their hp bar to 0.

[ArianeEwah]

I want to say I've seen him [G'raha] use holy a few times as well, but I am not too clear on that.

He does, but just as Aero III, it's rare, and he does it on bosses (single target) too...

I think Trust tank don't do wall to wall pull am I correct?

Trust tanks only aggro things that are 1. close enough to charge in and 2. aggro you. But even then, they target mobs one after another, so e.g. if one of the aggro'ed mobs on you is standing still and casting while the rest is chasing you, the trust tank might want to aggro that one special mob first before taking the rest off of you (which might result in your death).
So, yes, they don't pull wall to wall, you have to bring "the other wall" to them.

[blue_skies]

I think Trust tank don't do wall to wall pull am I correct? But regardless. Tank died because whm did not spam holy is hardly the case. Since Holy can only stun for 3 times. If Tank died in a trash pull it would because the damage taken per second exceeded the hp restored per second and manage to deplete their hp bar to 0.

No the Trust tank didn't do big pulls. I had to run ahead and grab the second pack and train him with it.

I just ran the dungeon again with real people and it was way smoother. I don't know what kind of gear the previous one had, but this one was full Augmented Scaevan. He/she didn't really even come close to dying and I could weave Holy's + other DPS. I have screenshots of the run if anyone really wants to see it.

I'm guessing the previous one just stood in literally everything or had no gear. That said I'm still 100% open for suggestions and improvements.

[Ksenia]

No the Trust tank didn't do big pulls. I had to run ahead and grab the second pack and train him with it.

I just ran the dungeon again with real people and it was way smoother. I don't know what kind of gear the previous one had, but this one was full Augmented Scaevan. He/she didn't really even come close to dying and I could weave Holy's + other DPS. I have screenshots of the run if anyone really wants to see it.

I'm guessing the previous one just stood in literally everything or had no gear. That said I'm still 100% open for suggestions and improvements.

Trust tanks don't pull. They take any aggro you have. They also don't give you grief if you die.
In line with my first post, we are in a spot right now. New tanks, old tanks, alt tanks. I've seen Tanks in Sohm Al with i90 chests. I've seen 520 tanks in Brayflox and you know it when you start healing.

[blue_skies]

Trust tanks don't pull. They take any aggro you have. They also don't give you grief if you die.
In line with my first post, we are in a spot right now. New tanks, old tanks, alt tanks. I've seen Tanks in Sohm Al with i90 chests. I've seen 520 tanks in Brayflox and you know it when you start healing.

The frustrating thing about healer for me is how easy it is to be blamed for everything. So I have a hard time distinguishing what's really my fault and what isn't.

And I tend to take criticism seriously (see: this thread).

blue_skies, the only error you did here is to give importance to random pugs. Do what you think is appropriate to fulfil your job and ignore whining people. Yes DPSing as a healer is awaited by standard groups but if it's not possible (tank under geared or not using cd, you under geared, you not comfy with the role, anything else) just heal. In extreme case : 1. change chat log to combat windows, 2. "different play style" is a valid kick reason, and 3. 30 min penalty is not that bad.

Thank you for the encouragement.

[Liam_Harper]

I just ran the dungeon again with real people and it was way smoother. I don't know what kind of gear the previous one had, but this one was full Augmented Scaevan. He/she didn't really even come close to dying and I could weave Holy's + other DPS.

I'm guessing the previous one just stood in literally everything or had no gear.

If your second party went fine, chances are you're doing fine.

I had the same issue back when I leveled AST in ShB dungeons. Some tanks didn't look particularly undergeared and I'd even see Rampart and 30% mitigations on their buff list, but they would still manage to eat every oGCD in my entire kit and barely survive with Synastry + Benefic II spam. It was baffling and I never really did figure that out. Healing E12 Savage is literally easier than those 71-79 DF dungeons were.

Cure 2 is never last resort, Cure 2 is the standard healing spell once you get it because its so easy to regain mp as a white mage.

No, it's your last resort. It'll still see plenty of use, but you want to get Holy stun rolling with Asylum and Regen up and cycle through some oGCD's/lilies first before switching to Cure II once you've exhausted those and the tank needs healing. The more Holy you can safely get out, the faster the mobs die.