Biggest pet peeves when it comes to dungeon runs?

[van_arn]

And you also miss the point. Pulling slow isn't playing the job wrong and doesn't mean the person sucks at playing it. Vote kicking someone just because they take a few more minutes of your time is petty. Use a few of those precious seconds to say "hey, you can pull more" and generally most people will pick up the pace.

Or if the party rather not, then get rid of them and find someone that works better with the party. That's the point I was making; no party needs to keep a player they don't want.

[Joven]

Or if the party rather not, then get rid of them and find someone that works better with the party. That's the point I was making; no party needs to keep a player they don't want.

So instead of taking less than a second in chat to encourage a tank to be less hesitant about pulling large groups you'd rather just remove them because they're inconvenient for you? Right, way to foster a positive community there. And people wonder why hardly anyone wants to play as a tank on here. Couldn't imagine why.

[Yeol]

So instead of taking less than a second in chat to encourage a tank to be less hesitant about pulling large groups you'd rather just remove them because they're inconvenient for you? Right, way to foster a positive community there. And people wonder why hardly anyone wants to play as a tank on here. Couldn't imagine why.

It is not our job to babysit players at max level. Lower level? Sure. We'll encourage them, tell them it's ok we're all learning, no one is going to blame you if we fail. All that nice talk you want. But max level? No. What have they been doing the past 79 levels? The community either was too nice to talk (babysitting) or too afraid to talk (they don't want to get banned), or the player was too self-centered and couldn't care less about improving for the past 79 levels. Even if they pick GNB as their first tank. They had 20 levels. They also for sure have seen how other tanks pull and tank while leveling their DPS/Healers. There is no excuse for them to not have improved or attempted to improve.

[Joven]

It is not our job to babysit players at max level. Lower level? Sure. We'll encourage them, tell them it's ok we're all learning, no one is going to blame you if we fail. All that nice talk you want. But max level? No. What have they been doing the past 79 levels? The community either was too nice to talk (babysitting) or too afraid to talk (they don't want to get banned), or the player was too self-centered and couldn't care less about improving for the past 79 levels. Even if they pick GNB as their first tank. They had 20 levels. They also for sure have seen how other tanks pull and tank while leveling their DPS/Healers. There is no excuse for them to not have improved or attempted to improve.

And it's not their responsibility to save you those extra 2 minutes.

[Shurrikhan]

that's what arm's length and bloodbath are for!

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This is literally how you 3-man when your healer has D/Ced for an extended time but no one wants to kick.

DPS open with Arm's Length and Bloodbath, each slightly focusing one mob above the rest (via AAs and whatever oGCDs can only ST), and one AoE bursting a little later than the other to cycle in thereafter. That takes the pressure off the tank for the first 10-18 seconds. Tank takes threat thereafter and cycles cooldowns as normal, though he may turn tank stance off back off shortly after taking threat so that 1-2 enemies each can chew on the DPS instead, ensuring he can live through any double-pull even without all his CDs, so long as everyone's dealing decent damage.

[van_arn]

So instead of taking less than a second in chat to encourage a tank to be less hesitant about pulling large groups you'd rather just remove them because they're inconvenient for you? Right, way to foster a positive community there. And people wonder why hardly anyone wants to play as a tank on here. Couldn't imagine why.

Anyone can be voted away. It's fine if someone doesn't want to play tank, healer, or DPS. That's what it means by not playing things you're not cut out for.

If they're in their 70s and don't know how/are afraid to multipull, it's probably time to check out other roles. I'm not going to block them from being kicked.

Imagine the rest in cursive:

And you can't stop me.

[Joven]

Anyone can be voted away. It's fine if someone doesn't want to play tank, healer, or DPS. That's what it means by not playing things you're not cut out for.

If they're in their 70s and don't know how/are afraid to multipull, it's probably time to check out other roles. I'm not going to block them from being kicked.

Imagine the rest in cursive:

And you can't stop me.

Not multipulling =/= not suited to play.

I'm not stopping anyone. You're free to abuse the vote kick as much as you want. Just don't be surprised when the same thing happens to you.

[Yeol]

And it's not their responsibility to save you those extra 2 minutes.

Ah yes, the difference between 15-20-30 is 2 minutes. Got it. Math is not your favorite subject.

[Joven]

Ah yes, the difference between 15-20-30 is 2 minutes. Got it. Math is not your favorite subject.

Don't know where you're pulling those numbers from, I can think of a certain place, but I've never had a run take 15-30 minutes longer just because the tank isn't multipulling.

[van_arn]

Not multipulling =/= not suited to play.

I'm not stopping anyone. You're free to abuse the vote kick as much as you want. Just don't be surprised when the same thing happens to you.

That's the part that people seem to forget, yes. And if two people want me gone, I want to be gone rather than deal with the drama.

Just like someone that refuses to multipull should want to be gone if the rest of their party wants to multipull, especially if their healer and dps are pulling for them.