[Off-topic] WoW discussion - What should I do?

[A_moth_called_rose]

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So you guys can guess how hyped i was when Blizzard announced TBC classic, not only was that the first expansion i played but also was for me the best PvP experience i had (or at least i still remember it like that) with all the social features the game still had before the Dungeon Finder bullshit appeared.

And then, for whatever reason Blizzard decided to fuck it up and bring the microtransactions back, level boosts, bots, hacks and all that lovely stuff.

My heart broke to the point were even tho i had not that much interest in FF14 I still wanted to give it a try since many people started playing it as well, and ho boi, I'm really enjoying the game, maybe i was just lucky but I've never met a more wholesome community in any online game on my whole life, since day 1 people have been nothing but helpful, many people has given their time to explain bosses mechanics and no one got mad if someone messed up, on the contrary they were rather cheerful, for no reason other than me being a new player some other players have given me many gifts in the form of minions or some other items.

And not to mention the feeling of meeting a bard in Limsa Lominsa playing a theme that you recognize and that alone becoming the reason for a long chat and a new friend

But even with all that positivity I still miss wow, pvp in FF14 lacks not only in deepness but also in complexity, is very straightforward and when i compare it to wow arenas it really shows that this game wasn't really made for it.

Which brings me to me making this post, I really want to play TBC again, but i refuse to support Blizzard anymore, specially after what has recently happened, i have no words to describe what this company is other than saying that is being managed by a bunch of scumbags who have turned it in probably the worst videogame company.

I've also considered starting anew on a private server, but the reason why i have never done it before is because an mmo is something about time investment and progression, and i don't like the idea of expending 1 or 2 years of my life on a character when i have no certainty that he's not gonna disappear one day either because they decide to reset the server or it closes, i truly don't know how they operate or do things.

So, if anyone has managed to read me up until here, what would be your advice? I'm really opened to any suggestions or comments that you may have and i will really appreciate them.

With not much else to say, thanks for reading me

If PvP is a big thing for you, you might want to consider New World when it comes out. A lot of ex-wow players have been singing it's praises from a pvp standpoint and a forced necessity to group and socialize for mutual survival and benefit.

[Jeeqbit]

This isn't a game for open world PvP but the instanced PvP is good. There is objective PvP in frontline and rival wings and direct PvP with the feast and plenty of rewards like mounts and glamour to work towards. I don't know what you mean about depth because there are a lot of abilities you can get creative with including shields, heals, lifesteal, stuns, sleeps, silences, binds, knockbacks, pullbacks, gap closers, damage downs, healing downs, AoE (which yes is useful if there is a crowd of people because it can change the course of which team wins) and I find it all interesting.

What you may not have considered is there are other forms of PvP in this game such as Chocobo Racing, Triple Triad tournaments, Lord of Verminion and rankings for certain things like deep dungeons, which although soloable the top players are listed.

[Shougun]

One angle I wanted to note is the feeling isn't all that weird, and not one you should be disturbed by, more in, I think, just accept it as a natural phase.

13. 13 years. That's roughly the life span of a pet. When your loved pet passes, you mourn. WoW has been your good friend and company for many years, even for people who are naturally growing apart from the game might feel some weird sense of separation.

My suggestion is to think of it like stages of grief and work to acceptance, your friend, pet, what have your confidant of fun.

You know what they say though. The king is dead, long live the king. Which I don't mean to say FFXIV has won, or whatever, I mean in so much that when something gives way it makes room for something else.

The other angle just being, at least personally, THIRTEEN YEARS !! lol That's a lot of value, just think you've had a great time but now you need a new book. Rather than rereading the same book, rewatching the same movie, remix 49 of batman, maybe you want to try something else- that's okay that doesn't mean you can't come back later, it's alright to try another thing for a while. I like pizza but I dont want to eat it for the rest of my life . 13 years is great value for a game, some game companies, or really dedicated players, may expect more but seriously 13 years of value is just awesome, it's okay to be like "okay I've been at this dinner table long enough, it's time to go try something different, maybe I'll come back and it'll taste like my childhood memories again, maybe it wont, but I know I don't have to eat at this table forever". While I believe in giving devs a chance, they're human and deserve human respect, it's also important not to give companies (not the human, but the machine at large) the impression that you'll eat at that table no matter what... because they may take complete utter advantage of you and that's going to be awful.

I think everything is natural and sometimes a natural process of life is the entire cycle- it's quite unusual to be stuck in spring the entire time. At some point winter comes.

Metaphors aside, advise reads as your feelings are completely normal and I think it's going to just be part of a process- dabble your feet into a bunch of things (and do what you're doing, by asking for advise) to see what might be other interesting things to try. As for being more helpful on that aspect of recommendations, ... I suck lol. The most PvP I've done is MOBAs and WoW, so my recommendations are long pauses . I just wanted to note the value and natural aspect of your feelings, both including and even excluding some of the issues Blizzard has been embroiled around.

[VictorTheed]

If you feel like putting the time into two MMOs at once I'd say play 14 for the community u enjoy and whatever else content u find enjoyable in this game, try out alot of stuff in 14, u may find something u really like.

For your PVP desires I'd say try Elder Scrolls Online, I hear they have a fantastic PVP mode, I didn't PVP when I played it but I sure enjoyed being a argoanian lizard dude and a khajiit cat dude.

[TeraRamis]

Don't give Blizzard money right now. Simple as that. Exercise some small amount of self control where your reservations govern your desires.

[van_arn]

As an eternal gamehopper, let me give you the ultimate advice: just don't try to replace your favorite. 90% of the fun of trying a new game is seeing how the new games does things differently, not how it does the same.

For instance, I love FFXIV for the story and great community (by the way), but I love BDO for the Seige/pvp drama and (apparently) toxic community. You don't need to maintain the same tastes across games, nor do you need to be attracted to only one type of game or any particular playstyle.

You can meet great people no matter what game you play, and you can keep in touch with those great people from outside of the games you play.

A large thing MMO players (in particular) have problems with is learning how to play a new game. While some enjoy playing the same game for 10+ years, it's easy to forget how to get into a new game in that time. Just use this time to relearn discovery, and the people will fall into place over time.

[Lauront]

Think of it this way - there's probably games you used to play a lot when you were younger but haven't touched for years. Just like there's restaurants or coffee shops you might have enjoyed going to that have since closed down or you can no longer get to easily due to moving far away.

FFXIV isn't going to be around forever or even necessarily keep you interested for as long as it does exist. So with that in mind, I think it's best to be careful and not just replace one time sink with another time sink purely on the basis of wanting something to fill your free time with.

If you enjoy FFXIV? Great! Play it. Don't force it to 'fit' if it doesn't click with you, though - there's other potential options on the market that you could try. Some of them MMO's, others single player.

Above all else, no matter what controversies a company is involved in...the fond memories aren't necessarily invalidated. I stopped supporting Blizzard when racist and sexist comments were made by writers hired by the company. It was shocking to me that such horrible things were being written on Twitter and so I voted with my wallet and haven't looked back since.

Yet I still made some friends during my time playing WoW and I'm in touch with some of them to this very day.

The decay in its story/lore quality did not help, either. There are still aspects of that that I consider it did much better than other MMOs, but the game has become too much of a mess for me to ever return to it, and that's without even considering Blizzard's bizarre state. As you say, it's best not to replace one addiction with another, and so I keep an open eye even while playing 14.

[Liam_Harper]

If you stay with FF14, I'd recommend not focusing too hard on what FF14 doesn't have that WoW does. Those sort of comparisons dampen your enjoyment of a game because you're always thinking of that thing WoW does better and how much you miss it. It makes you lose track of all the great things FF14 has. For me, there's all sorts of things WoW does better, from the toybox to pet battles to smooth combat and so on, but this game has become my home all the same because the good points make it a game worth playing. I love having passionate devs, no treadmills, great storyline, decent graphics, a nice community and so on. I simply like the game. It's fun. WoW wasn't any more.

No game can be a true WoW replacement. Every game is unique in its own way. You're simply putting down one hobby and taking the chance to try a new one. It's a new opportunity with its own adventure and countless great memories ahead, there's no reason to stay back trying to resurrect fragments of old memories. FF14 is not the only option, there are a number of new MMO's out there that are shaping up to be promising. It's not a bad time to be gaming.

[Yuella]

I heard Guild Wars 2 pvp is good so maybe you want to try that.

[Xathyr]

Hi there again and woah i surely did not expect that many replies.

Ok so, I've been reading all of your comments, and so far trying new games has been the most common reply, and... sure I've been considering a few options for PvP alone like New World, although the game's still on beta and it kinda looks more like a Dark Souls or a Guild Wars 2 than a mmorpg replacement, i probably will still give it a shot eventually.

Is just that right now I'm still trying to overcome the fact that i will probably end up not playing TBCC even tho i've been wanting to do so for over a decade, and sure, not everyone working at Blizzard is a scumbag, and sure, refusing to give them any more money will probably end up damaging more the average workers than the ones i want to make them pay for all they've done since they have so much money that even if wow had to close servers their wallet won't even notice, but still, right now, giving them any money will make me feel like shit and unless i see come true changes being done (which seems unlikely tbh) i will remain away from any Blizzard game for now.

Still considering joining a private server only for arenas, but probably what i need right now is to move on and see what else could i enjoy.

I don't know what you mean about depth because there are a lot of abilities you can get creative with

From what I've seen so far the main difference between wow and ff14 regarding pvp is the built up for characters which can be listed:

-In wow you have like 5 to 10 damaging/healing skills and everything else are resources for survival and utility whereas in FF14 you have like 10 to over 20 damaging/healing skills and everything else is for survival and utility.
-In wow every class has a few means to apply CC whereas in FF14 classes only have 1 spell (either stun, sleep, etc...) and is mostly irrelevant since it only last for 2 seconds in pvp and if i'm not mistaken there are 2 classes with no CC at all, and sure there are diminishing returns and chaining CC still needs "some" consideration since spamming stun on a target will render the duration on that target after every application, but same goes for wow with more different types to keep in mind for every class.
-In wow you have 1.5 seconds of GCD whereas in FF14 you start with 2.5 seconds to make it playable for console players i guess, which makes the game way less reactive and demands much less attention to stuff like burst damage.

It may seem like very minor changes at glance, but i felt the amount of thinking and considerations to be way less in FF14 than it was for wow and also much less demanding in reflexes and coordination.

And of course there are some other factors that makes the game to feel less demanding than wow in pvp but that would require a pretty long in depth explanation.