Please restrict carry runs

[Liam_Harper]

I don't really see a problem if someone is carried. Who really cares what other people do?

Of course people care what other people do, you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. This is why people buy clears in the first place. This is why shiny rewards for countless hours of work exist. This is why rare mounts are popular. People just like showing off. And other people see the shiny things that the first person has, admire those things and care enough to actually want to go out and do the same. It's one of many reasons MMO's are popular, it's normal human behavior.
Being able to purchase a clear devalues the accomplishment.

But to look at it another way, why should carry runs be allowed? How does it enhance the gameplay? Would it really be a big loss if you couldn't buy Ultimate raid clears with crafter gil?

[KageTokage]

These "carry" runs are almost never actually being done for gil despite what the ads state.

If they were legitimate transactions they wouldn't be demanding that all discussion take place outside of the game on Discord, nor would they feel it necessary to advertise sales using expendable alt accounts.

[Artemiz]

These "carry" runs are almost never actually being done for gil despite what the ads state.

If they were legitimate transactions they wouldn't be demanding that all discussion take place outside of the game on Discord, nor would they feel it necessary to advertise sales using expendable alt accounts.

Completely agree, any carry that can't organise exclusively in the game and pay with gil is shady as hell. Certainly under no circumstances give your login details to them, thats just asking to have your account stolen and turned into a gil selling bot.

[Wilford111]

Even if it is completely with in-game currency, I consider carry runs for things like savage and ultimate pathetic, devaluing, and shouldn't be tolerated by SE's GM staff.

[thegreatonemal]

Even if it is completely with in-game currency, I consider carry runs for things like savage and ultimate pathetic, devaluing, and shouldn't be tolerated by SE's GM staff.

They don't devalue anything and have no real effect on the game. If you feel the need to feel a type of way about someone having a legend title or an ultimate weapon then that is a dumb personal insecurity issue that you have that needs to be kept to yourself. Unlike Maplestory they aren't selling power all of these things are vanity items

[Wilford111]

They don't devalue anything and have no real effect on the game. If you feel the need to feel a type of way about someone having a legend title or an ultimate weapon then that is a dumb personal insecurity issue that you have that needs to be kept to yourself. Unlike Maplestory they aren't selling power all of these things are vanity items

I disagree. I've never even attempted Ultimate but I always respect and admire those that have cleared it. But with things like clear-selling I never know if they actually did it or just bought it. It's pathetic, you can't convince me that it's not XD

[Jojoya]

Society puts way too much value on what people possess over what they do. That's why so many are more interested in going the easy route and buying things to impress others than putting in fair effort to earn those things on their own.

And let's face it - it gives those who are capable an easy source of income as they sell carries to those who aren't capable. That's pretty much a foundation of economic systems - those who can do something selling their goods and services to those who can't or don't want to take the time to do it.

Selling carries isn't going to go away. All you can do is decide to take more interest in what you witness people doing than what they have.

Being able to purchase a clear devalues the accomplishment.

It only devalues it if you're doing it to impress others over doing it for personal satisfaction at beating a challenge through your own effort. Things I've achieved in game still mean something to me because I know the effort I put in even if others have achieved those things through carries/botting/etc.

Is it a bit annoying to be accused of botting myself because I fairly earned an achievement title associated with botting (Saint of the Firmament)? Sure, but I wasn't doing it to impress others. I went after the title to satisfy myself I could fairly earn it through my own effort.

If someone wants to jump to the conclusion I must have botted to get it, that's their problem. I know the truth so I could care less what they think as long as they don't start harassing me with false accusations.

I disagree. I've never even attempted Ultimate but I always respect and admire those that have cleared it. But with things like clear-selling I never know if they actually did it or just bought it. It's pathetic, you can't convince me that it's not XD

So judge them by what they do. If you're in any sort of combat content with them, you can get a general idea of how skilled they are. Those who bought their carries will stick out like a sore thumb.

[kaynide]

Just a response to those that dislike carries because of prestige/it cheapens your own achievements:

Your point is fair, but most of that has a time limit anyway. Outside of Ultimates, there really are no permanently "hard" things to do, and even then I've seen 7 people clear ultimates with great difficulty. Again, outside of that, there really isn't any content in this game that is immune to an eventual faceroll difficulty to clear.

Also, I've said this about housing and a lot of other topics, but it's a lot like a fancy sports car. A lot of people buy the fancy sports car to show it off and simply don't realize most people just don't care about what other people have.

I mean, yeah, I want me a sports car too..but I really don't care that Dave in accounting has one.

[Awha]

Legit selling carries is just a byproduct of entrepreneur spirit. It did provide kid me with a great source of income doing something I already enjoyed.

[NanaWiloh]

Society puts way too much value on what people possess over what they do. That's why so many are more interested in going the easy route and buying things to impress others than putting in fair effort to earn those things on their own.

And let's face it - it gives those who are capable an easy source of income as they sell carries to those who aren't capable. That's pretty much a foundation of economic systems - those who can do something selling their goods and services to those who can't or don't want to take the time to do it.

Selling carries isn't going to go away. All you can do is decide to take more interest in what you witness people doing than what they have.


It only devalues it if you're doing it to impress others over doing it for personal satisfaction at beating a challenge through your own effort. Things I've achieved in game still mean something to me because I know the effort I put in even if others have achieved those things through carries/botting/etc.

Is it a bit annoying to be accused of botting myself because I fairly earned an achievement title associated with botting (Saint of the Firmament)? Sure, but I wasn't doing it to impress others. I went after the title to satisfy myself I could fairly earn it through my own effort.

If someone wants to jump to the conclusion I must have botted to get it, that's their problem. I know the truth so I could care less what they think as long as they don't start harassing me with false accusations.


So judge them by what they do. If you're in any sort of combat content with them, you can get a general idea of how skilled they are. Those who bought their carries will stick out like a sore thumb.

I agree only one person can lessen the value of your own achievements and that's you