This game has serious free-rider problems and it's getting worse. A suggestion.

[Nethereal]

I do think a stricter ilvl requirement would go a long way. Cause you see some scary things . . .

You ever healed a tank in satasha with half their gear being emperor's new armor or simply empty?

I made a macro called "curex15"

[Joven]

You know, the relic weapon has never, in the 8 years since this game was reborn, been 'Best in Spec'. If players are suffering through the relic grind for anything except glamour rights, they've been sadly misled.

True, but the alternative is Savage raiding which they are adverse to. While the relics aren't BiS in terms of stats, the difference is wholely negligable. That and they're not doing it for glams since they think the final form looks worse than homemade sin.

[Rinhi]

If you don't see why it isn't an issue having no Item Level requirement on fights in an expansion then I really don't know what to tell you. Beyond a certain point no amount of skill will allow you to overcome a gear disparity if every mechanic is going to flat out kill you.

good times when it's an eden raid and one of the healers has less than half the HP of everyone else and the other healer is doing the fight for the first time
hooray for being a rez mage that day

[TaleraRistain]

Maybe they should just start handing out relic weapons, because some players may resent SE for "making" them do Bozja for it? I think maybe if they hate the content so much they just shouldn't do it. There are adequate weapon alternatives available by other means.

I've told them exactly that but not for that reason. I told them not to contribute to SE's completion numbers if we ever want to have relics not connected to insular, isolated separate zones instead of letting us partake of the game at large again like Zodiacs and animas. I've noped out on what was one of my favorite pieces of content for two expansions now because I won't be forced to do something I despise for a shiny. Unfortunately, there are enough people in this game who will that SE is going to look at completion numbers again and declare mission accomplished.

[SturmChurro]

I've told them exactly that but not for that reason. I told them not to contribute to SE's completion numbers if we ever want to have relics not connected to insular, isolated separate zones instead of letting us partake of the game at large again like Zodiacs and animas. I've noped out on what was one of my favorite pieces of content for two expansions now because I won't be forced to do something I despise for a shiny. Unfortunately, there are enough people in this game who will that SE is going to look at completion numbers again and declare mission accomplished.

Some aspects of Bozja are pretty good though, but it seems the only thing that will be implemented more of is 48 man raid content - specifically for carries. Overall, I don't like it much either. It feels like it was designed to be an insufferable grind, and I hope to see less content implemented in that way.

[TaleraRistain]

Classic Strawman. You are arguing against a case that noone made. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone. Everyone here is arguing for more reward and acknowledgment for people who ACTUALLY do more than the bare minimum in groups.

If you see reward to those who contribute more as punishment to those who don't, that says more about you than anyone else.

Uh, Ronduwil in the post above yours literally just quoted someone who said

"If you don’t pass a certain threshold, let us call it the “basic decency level”, you should be denied any kind of reward."

There ARE people in this thread who want to take away things from those they don't judge "worthy" enough to get them.

[TaleraRistain]

Some aspects of Bozja are pretty good though, but it seems the only thing that will be implemented more of is 48 man raid content - specifically for carries. Overall, I don't like it much either. It feels like it was designed to be an insufferable grind, and I hope to see less content implemented in that way.

That's honestly a shame. They force people to go there who don't want to go there so they're miserable. Then people who do want to go there get that misery shared. And those who do enjoy the content but think they need to tweak X or Y will get drowned out by the people who hate it. It's like they intentionally designed content so no one would be happy. I just hope they learn from this. I think there's a place for this type of content, but they need to let it stand or die on its own merits, not tying something like the relic to it to artificially prop it up. If it's good content, they shouldn't need to prop it up.

[Awha]

You ever healed a tank in satasha with half their gear being emperor's new armor or simply empty?

I made a macro called "curex15"

The worst I have done is heal in crafting gear, mistakes were made. Did not notice cause Eos carried like always.

I mostly tank so thankfully I have not had the displeasure to deal with that yet.

[Neoyoshi]

Dang I ain't reading all that. xD

To be fair I did begin reading but I stopped when I saw the three magic words: save, the, queen.

So I already know what the topic is about.

I mean, it's obvious that this content is going to get nerfed once it no longer has any current expansion relevance; and I do get the exaggeration, but... yeah, I think this tag is a good summation for any save the queen gripe topic.

[Wavaryen]

People who saying we are not talking about new players. Sprouts or whatever. Wow is proof what happens when you start to gate players and what type of community it turns into.

I rather have bad groups and leave, than the game end up like that.