This game has serious free-rider problems and it's getting worse. A suggestion.

[Rinhi]

The people we are complaining are not new players. Most of us in this thread have, at length, gone out of our way to explain we are not talking about new players. Your response is disingenuous.

that's a common theme throughout the threads with this exact premise:
people coming into those threads and pretending it's about sprouts just so they can talk down on those so called "elitists" and invalidate their experiences by categorising them as toxic individuals, yet obviously either having never read the contents of said thread or doing it to show how "nice" they and how bad these players are

[Kes13a]

that's a common theme throughout the threads with this exact premise:
people coming into those threads and pretending it's about sprouts just so they can talk down on those so called "elitists" and invalidate their experiences by categorising them as toxic individuals, yet obviously either having never read the contents of said thread or doing it to show how "nice" they and how bad these players are

oh, I am not talking about sprouts at all. lazy people are going to be lazy, no matter what is implemented, nor will they care about what is implemented. what I am saying, is from my experience as a player in another game, with this kind of system, it frustrated me to where I quit playing that game because nothing I did improved it. could be the people I was running with, but if you are always running with the same level of player, there will be no improvement and thus, frustration.

which is something the "elites" obviously never have to worry about. but I hardly need the game to be telling me I am not as good as they are as well as them doing so. no one does. and I doubt I am alone in that sentiment.

kick bad players, let them deal with it. best solution.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

"But think of the disabled people" is the go to "but I want to lick paint" excuse. A lot of disabled people do perfectly fine with difficult content.

What's next? "I want it to be easy because I have anxiety!" ? "Think of the game journalists!" ?

Yeah let's just throw people with more severe disability under the bus right? What a stupid response. Kudos to those who perform well but not everyone is the same, I know players with no physical disability but they can still really struggle with content until they have had plenty time to learn. Those people need patience and understanding. Not a "You are not good enough so no rewards for you, oh and also we will further reward those people that already got the nice shinies from savage and ultimate"

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Few things here.

why do people use people with disabilities as a weapon here, don't, you are worse then people insulting people with disabilities, don't use them for your agenda.

The game has so few rewards for the 1%, most of the game is accessible to most players, you are making it sound like theres load of inaccessible rewards which isn't true.

The game actually needs more rewards for the 10% and above, the midcore and above, give more players an incentive to keep at it with midcore content, for this they can't freeride as easy or at all.

I'm not using anyone as a weapon. Yes most of the game is accessible and it's great, echo also makes things more accessible at a later date.. also great. This new suggestion makes the game less accessible feeling and more catering to a smaller group. That's my point, you wanna throw a group of people under the bus because some people leech. It's like when people argue against state benefit because some people abuse the system, without a thought or care for people who rely on that system.

The game has so many nice rewards for top 10% you get the dyable gear from savage, you get the mount, the titles, the shiny weapons from savage, pvp mounts etc. If you need more stuff to lord over people and feel accomplished that's a you problem honestly. I am not even against adding more content overall say. But making ALL content % performance reward based? Fuck off with that nonsense.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Thinking most disabled players are struggling to even play the game feels pretty insulting and patronizing. Even if the intention wasn't harmful, don't use us for your agenda please.

Where did I say most are struggling? I didn't. I said the suggestion can be damaging to those people who DO struggle due to said disability. But hey screw me for having concern for those people. I am well aware we have some amazing players with disabilities that have cleared ultimate. But I play with individuals who struggle with the mid core content and the stress of having ALL combat content be rewarded on % performance and then adding extra icing for top 1% on top will make them feel unwanted and stressed? I have discussed it with them. I play with them for hours and hours doing content together because we want to experience all content together. They already take many steps to improve their own playing experience. A suggestion like this is not good for everyone, it punishes leeches at the expense of other people is the point I was very clearly getting at. All for the sake of OP's annoyance at a leech they can easily take the time to report.

[Ronduwil]

The people we are complaining are not new players. Most of us in this thread have, at length, gone out of our way to explain we are not talking about new players. Your response is disingenuous.

If you're not targeting new players, then why are the OP's proposed remedies primarily aimed at them? For example:

At the end of an instance, you’re rewarded with a medal based on a general measure of your contribution to the party depending on damage, healing (excluding overhealing), damage mitigation and resurrection/raise casts. If you don’t pass a certain threshold, let us call it the “basic decency level”, you should be denied any kind of reward.

Then, increase the probability of dropping rare items if you do particularly well, so that those few players carrying the whole alliance are at least awarded something for their effort. Just like FATEs, high damage and spot on healing result in better medals and each medal is associated with a multiplier that is then used to increase your reward in various forms. In the case of a huge performance disparity, reward the carriers with a special platinum badge that guarantees or significantly increases the drop rate of the rarest items in the instance (this should be a rare occurrence, hopefully, so it wouldn't make rare drops too common).

please consider allowing full parties and pre-formed alliances to reserve an instance in large scale content such as Eureka and Save the Queen, while scaling the bosses’ hp to the number of parties in the instance.

The OP may not be complaining about new players, but they sure are trying to water down their experience with worse gear and longer queues for some reason.

[Alaeacus]

Those people need patience and understanding. Not a "You are not good enough so no rewards for you

Classic Strawman. You are arguing against a case that noone made. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone. Everyone here is arguing for more reward and acknowledgment for people who ACTUALLY do more than the bare minimum in groups.

If you see reward to those who contribute more as punishment to those who don't, that says more about you than anyone else.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Classic Strawman. You are arguing against a case that noone made. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone. Everyone here is arguing for more reward and acknowledgment for people who ACTUALLY do more than the bare minimum in groups.

If you see reward to those who contribute more as punishment to those who don't, that says more about you than anyone else.

I dont care what your arguement is, thats what that system is saying. You didnt do good enough so you get nothing. Simple as that.

You clear the content you get your reward, you dont need SE to stroke your ego because you did better dps than someone else. Go to ff logs and swoon over yourself there.

[Alaeacus]

I dont care what your arguement is, thats what that system is saying. You didnt do good enough so you get nothing. Simple as that.

Then you lack reading comprehension. They attended, so they get base rewards, not extra. It's clear you are now doing nothing but troll this thread in hopes it gets closed.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Then you lack reading comprehension. They attended, so they get base rewards, not extra. It's clear you are now doing nothing but troll this thread in hopes it gets closed.

" and reaching this minimum threshold makes you eligible for normal rewards."

This is from OP's post. He has set a MINIMUM for normal rewards. So if you are below it is reasonable to infer you will get nothing. Go learn how to read yourself love. If you can only call troll it's clear you have nothing else of value to say.