Fishing Not Respectful Of Player's Time

[ACE135]

I don't know how enjoyable or fulfilling it is to complete the fishing log in one or two days just to get back standing afk in town because there's nothing to do.

[Gobio]

This is not an honest thread.

when people popularize the term 'respect player's time' in WOW (you mentioned WOW first not me), it refers to a whole system upon system of abuse.

- temporary character upgrade that would expire in next patch (not next expansion, next patch, by expire it covers not only general iLVL increase but all the system added)

- time gated reward

- not only reward based on grinding, but the amount of grinding to get a reward is reduced in future patch

- and much more

And you (intentional or otherwise) reduce all these abuse by WOW dev by using the term "respect player's time" on "RNG in fishing" in FF14?

Can you be more honest? If you want to talk about fishing in FF14 fine, just talk about it, don't make shady comparisons that is simply dishonest!

[Garnix]

1) Getting caught up with fishing gets easier in each expansion with the various new abilities you unlock.
2) On top of it, you can now ignore the weather conditions for a lot of fish, which makes it waaay easier to get caught up.
3) I agree that the amount of different baits needed, especially in ARR, is ridiculous and annoying, but once you are done with all the ARR fish, it gets better.
4) Once you are caught up, I feel like it respects my time just as much as any other thing IMO. I just go fishing every few days for a few minutes and relax and hope I get the big fish I want. It's not a race. You just go fishing 10 minutes every few hours if you really want to try hard. No big deal.
5) Actually, the only thing big fishing really needs IMO is not to get easier; it is to have better rewards. I don't know, let me have the Ruby Dragon as a mount or something...


I was caught up with the log in 5.3. When 5.4 came out, and people figured out how to catch the new fish, it just took me a couple days to get all the new ones.
I still need to try the ones from 5.5, but no rush.

Honestly, if you make it less RNG-based than it is, I think it would take a lot of the appeal away from it.
Unlike other gathering classes, you barely need any fish to craft. So if you get caught up with your log just 2h after a patch drops, then you wouldn't have any reason to use your fisher anymore until the next patch.

[kaynide]

Ya'll remember having to fish Silver Sovereigns to get that Forager's Rod back in 2.0? And almost the only way to reliably get Silver Sovereigns was to HAVE a foragers rod?

And then you needed that to catch those Tremors worms (Olgoi-Khorkhoi) for the Halycon rod supra?

Good times.

THAT was some hardcore RNG.

[Tint]

Ya'll remember having to fish Silver Sovereigns to get that Forager's Rod back in 2.0? And almost the only way to reliably get Silver Sovereigns was to HAVE a foragers rod?

And then you needed that to catch those Tremors worms (Olgoi-Khorkhoi) for the Halycon rod supra?

Good times.

THAT was some hardcore RNG.

Oh yes. That was before they implementet the sky watcher NPCs, I was hanging out in Southern Thanalan for days, waiting for the correct weather. Then I cought an Olgoi-Khorkhoi in HQ and I had to catch a fourth one for the quest, because you could not reduce the quality of items back then.

Fun times.

But: I have memories of doing that back in 2014. I don't remember what I did to get my relic fishing rod a few months ago o.ô;

[Catwho]

My method of approaching it has been to catch the 30 fish for the challenge log each week, and pick at fishing holes that way. Finally caught Cornelia a couple weeks ago. Now working on the last 200 fish to be done with Black Shroud fishing holes.

I worked hard for weeks to get <of Dragons Deep> and I still contend it's one of the tougher titles to earn in the game, obviously not as tough as Perfect Legend, but still pretty rough.

I dunno, I really do like just kicking back with a beer IRL and fishing for hours, too. It's relaxing. Sure, waiting for weather transitions is a pain in the butt, but there's plenty of fish in the sea, and always something available to catch that you didn't before. Just have to pin down what it is (I have a spreadsheet to help...)

[TaleraRistain]

If they made fished items have a purpose in game to the same level as botany and mining, then they wouldn't hesitate to implement some of the necessary QoL to make fishing a viable third gathering class instead of a forgotten side hobby. So it needs purpose as a gathering class.

They need to get rid of the cap on catch rate so if you vastly outlevel something, you get it. I've had Feast of Famine in my quest log for years (not days, not weeks, not months, years) because getting some of those fish is not about any sort of skill or preparation, it's about pure luck with RNG. Because you can do every single thing right and have that fish on your hook multiple times and it keeps getting away. So that needs to go. Especially if the window for something comes around every few real life weeks (or I think there's one that's even months) .

One of the commonalities I'm seeing in this thread from naysayers who don't want fishing improved is that they think it's fine being a broken RNG mess because that keeps more people away and they can feel special they put up with the tedium.

I was an omnicrafter on multiple characters before they did the revamps and streamlined things. They made improvements that helped both hardcore and casual crafters and gatherers. They made things much more accessible. None of that negates the work I put in under the old rules. And bringing fishing in line with the other gathering classes wouldn't negate any work someone previously put in. It's pure selfishness to not want something to improve because it would make you lose your special status.

[Tint]

If they made fished items have a purpose in game to the same level as botany and mining, then they wouldn't hesitate to implement some of the necessary QoL to make fishing a viable third gathering class instead of a forgotten side hobby. So it needs purpose as a gathering class.

They have already done that with the addition of spear fishing, wich is a lot more accessible than regular fishing. But for some reason they don't utilize it properly.

[ItMe]

If they made fished items have a purpose in game to the same level as botany and mining, then they wouldn't hesitate to implement some of the necessary QoL to make fishing a viable third gathering class instead of a forgotten side hobby. So it needs purpose as a gathering class.

They've said they designed it to be basically separate from the rest of the game.
They want it to be side content, and honestly it not interacting with much else is what I like about it.

[DPZ2]

A complete revamp of the bait system. Make them offhands and put levels on them. There shouldn't be hundreds of baits. It just gets confusing.

Done and done. You need exactly three (3) types of bait to fish for anything except the Big Fish these days. Might not even need it then. Bait isn't an issue - Gathering and Perception skills are.

A complete revamp of the available fish. RNG makes it an utter pain in the @$$ to complete the log when there are literally thousands of fish. It needs condensed.

Probably not going to happen soon, if ever. Most of those fish you think are required for completion were from ARR, as SE apparently abandoned the need to obtain epeen by catching Big Fish after that.

Stop with the time gates and weather gates. There's a reason the Sightseeing Logs stopped using them. It sucks trying to get that one fish when it only spawns at 2AM for a 1 hour period and then doesn't appear again for the next 4 days.

Going for the Big Fish again? Or perhaps the elusive Desert Catfish ... which I have to go back to the Sagoli to catch on an alt some time soon.

No other job has is this much of a pain to master or let alone level. "The RNG is part of the job". It doesn't have to be.

Most people who blaze through the leveling process these days are enjoying the risks and rewards of Ocean Fishing. Mastering Fishing, however, requires a level of dedication that is only rewarded by patience and timing. And figuring out the weather and timing.

Timing is fine, since it's used for every single one-star-and-above item you gather in all the post-level 50 'rare' spots.

As for weather, well, Waterproof Cotton can desynth'd from the Sweetnewt (one of the few fish with an 11 pm to 3 am fishing window), but it also comes from the Olgoi-Korkhoi that just requires Heat Waves. In a desert. Which is way too common.