Fishing Not Respectful Of Player's Time

[Tint]

Done and done. You need exactly three (3) types of bait to fish for anything except the Big Fish these days. Might not even need it then. Bait isn't an issue - Gathering and Perception skills are.

A friend of me finished his fisher relic in mostly level 70 scrip gear. Now look what the crafters have to do for their relic. Stats are really not a problem at all if you don't plan to catch the big fish. Fishing is way more accessible than people think. Leveling is super fast and scrip gear is more than enough for almost anything, especially the stuff wich brings the money in. And yes, you can make money as a fisher.

As for weather, well, Waterproof Cotton can desynth'd from the Sweetnewt (one of the few fish with an 11 pm to 3 am fishing window), but it also comes from the Olgoi-Korkhoi that just requires Heat Waves. In a desert. Which is way too common.

There is a fish in the Ruby Sea at Hell's Lid, the Shrieker, that you can catch at any time and any weather that also can be desynthesized into Waterproof Cotton.

[SolemnDream]

Every single one of these arguments that fishing is fine as it is are wrong.

1. "MMOs are supposed to be time sinks!" You're ignoring the sheer insanity of the time sinks involved here. I know many people who play MMOs don't have jobs, families, or lives, but they should be able to prepare a meal, go to sleep, get some exercise, etc. without missing a stinking fish. You could spend hours sitting there doing nothing, putting all your focus into fishing, all day for a rare fish. And there's hundreds of those rare fish. You could waste *hundreds* of days trying to complete fishing. I don't care who you are, but this is not how you should be spending your time every day. Furthermore, it punishes you with a ton of lost time for a lapse in focus, or for a trigger finger on the wrong reel skill. It demands so much constant focus that I can't even talk to friends and FC members in the game chat while I'm doing it. That's insane! It is physically and mentally unhealthy. An MMO is best when you can pick it up, accomplish something, and put it down an hour or two later if you need to. You can't do that with fishing, or you could lose another whole day or two of time. That's a lot of days lost when tons of fish can do it!

2. "Stop ruining the thing I enjoy!" Look, if you enjoy it, more power to you. But objectively, fishing is an extremely shallow minigame that most people don't get the feeling of "fun" out of.

3. "Fishing is for the elite only!" When EA defended on Reddit the mentality of locking a desired goal behind an unreasonable amount of grind, they created the most downvoted comment in Reddit history. And XIV's fishing grind is way worse. And unlike Battlefront, you're not even grinding a fun and rewarding game! You're gonna give XIV a free pass? No. If you love something, you should want to see it improve.

4. "None of that matters because you don't even have to complete it!" I'm sorry, but completionism is almost the entire point of fishing. There's over a thousand fish. A few are for mats and items, but most aren't— especially not the rare fish. And *any* fish can be for leves or quests. Now, I'm the kind of completionist who got Vaan to 99 before even getting Penelo, back on PS2. I never felt frustrated or like I was wasting all my time, because there was steady progress and a fallback on muscle memory when things got RNG-grindy. I could watch a show or something without failing due to a lapse in focus. But none of that is true in XIV fishing— you have to hyper-focus on it and often to no reward for days.

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People, please respect the health and sanity of your fellow would-be fishers. And finally, if you people are calling OP a troll and their post "bait", then you seriously need to consider if you just defensively think that any complaint against something you like is "trolling". I see this toxic claim a lot. It's really infuriating when legit rational and meaningful complaints get shot down as "bait". Please stop.

[Lyth]

Fishing has some hooked, others just find it to be a time sink. Some see the feedback around fishing as bait, or perhaps just trolling. The secret is to keep things fresh, and not get too salty.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

The only thing id like changed in fishing is extra GP recovery skills or a higher GP restoration. Making us able to use more skills to get the desired fish. I'd also like Ocean fishing either to be every hour or a new Ocean fishing route maybe in one of the expansion areas. Oh and the fishing tackle box separate from inventory :P

[RobynDaBank]

Fishing has some hooked, others just find it to be a time sink. Some see the feedback around fishing as bait, or perhaps just trolling. The secret is to keep things fresh, and not get too salty.

Seeing way too many puns in this reply... smells fishy to me.

[Nav_Fae]

Why would you want to take the challenge out of the game? Getting the entire fishing log is supposed to be an achievement not a cake walk. I do agree on the bait box being separate from the inventory though. That would be amazing. As it is I keep my bait in my chocobo saddlebag.

I guess only raids are the only content in this game that should ever get nerfed, unsync'd and made easier to catch up on. Handing out gear and mounts two patches later with less effort. Poor hardcore fishers their achievements are really in jeopardy by making old expansion fish easier to catch. /s

[Xaphire]

Why would you necrobump this post of all things

[Tint]

I guess only raids are the only content in this game that should ever get nerfed, unsync'd and made easier to catch up on. Handing out gear and mounts two patches later with less effort. Poor hardcore fishers their achievements are really in jeopardy by making old expansion fish easier to catch. /s

Fishing is not raiding. Also PvP got never nerfed. Or the Hunt. Not everything has to lose it's value.

And the fish already are easier to catch. Back then we didn't have Patience, Mooch 2, Surface Slap, Identical Cast, Double and Triple Hook, Prize Catch, Makeshift Bait and Thaliaks Favor. Oh and Fish Eyes.

Also Gear. I remember when I had to use BiS Gear on every slot excet the Fishing Rod (because it was locked behind catching basically every Big Fsh) and had to use Food AND an FC Buff to reach the stat requirements to finish the Feast of Famine quest.


And what gear and mounts do want to have out of fishing? There is nothing locked behind it except some titles and shiny fishing rods. Just like ultimate raids.

If you want the bragging rights then put in the effort. There is nothing to brag about when it is easy to do.

[Asari5]

would fishing really be enjoyable for more poeple or would it just turn into one more thing people can work through to finish it only to never touch it again afterwards if they would make it less time consuming?
there is not really much to gain in catching all fishes other than the accomplishement... which would turn worthless if its doable in a few hours

[Deceptus]

Why would you necrobump this post of all things

Why would you reply to a necro bump that just keeps it on the front page?

Oh wait. . .