Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

[Awha]

Yes time could be seen as the one of the earliest forms of something that is socially construct we have collectively created its meaning and importance so yes everyone could have a different view as to what a long time and not. In short yesh it is an illusion but like most illusions it does provide a sense of control and comfort.

That is the same for justice and revenge it is all relative to the person at hand. End of the day if we want to play along with those in our society we either have to play nice with the majority or expect that our views will be seen as not normal to the relative status quo. In short I agree in my view the OP was not toxic but I could see how the general community would view how they phrased it was. So OP has a choice to either conform or just be seen as toxic by the community at large. I prefer the latter.

In the end as stated before yes sure time is an illusion but that illusion for many provides comfort just like the people that will view what the OP did as toxic because it goes against what they view is a comfortable or appropriate way to deal with someone in a social context. Anyone who deviates from that normal threatens to shatter their illusion of the community and that is scary for some.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not going to be commenting or posting further on this thread, but feel free to continue the conversation without me. Last thing I'm going to say is that I hope more of you can try to hear people out and be more understanding. The amount of "it's a troll" or "it's a Titanmen alt!" is also a bit toxic. There are people looking to have legit conversations but people are quick to bully and bash using someone else from the past as an excuse. Evaluate each post separately. Remember, trolls look for conflict. So you only feed them when you start being negative to others. At least, that's how I see it.

Fair enough. You'll have to forgive some of us for being a little suspicious though! Still, that doesn't change my view on the topic.

No, I've not seen a change. It's the same as I always see, a greeting, then a goodbye at the end, as in most leveling dungeons. In Praetorium you'll usually get some fun chatter as everyone settles down for another 45 minute rerun of Praetorium the Movie, same to a lesser extent in Castrum. Toxicity is a once in a blue moon encounter for me, has been for the year I've played now.

Been the same way in the 8 years I've been playing as well.

[Akiudo]

Saying that the OP is responsible for causing someone else to be salty with the words she said she used is the same as saying that it is my fault that I am not choosing my words carefully when talking to some arrogant nobody.

People who dislike getting real advice about how to play their role are toxic. Their behavior is detrimental to themselves and those around them.

given that other people you talk to tend to be arrogant nobodies, who exactly are YOU that they should have to listen to literally anything you have to say ? i'll even give you that not listening to advice is detrimental but you know what ? take it as part of the experience, never associate with these same people again, be done with the problem. acting with hostility only fuels the fire and makes you no better because now you are both toxic.

sorry but if a crazy person on the street starts screaming at you you don't "win" by screaming louder than them.

[Roeshel]

given that other people you talk to tend to be arrogant nobodies, who exactly are YOU that they should have to listen to literally anything you have to say ? i'll even give you that not listening to advice is detrimental but you know what ? take it as part of the experience, never associate with these same people again, be done with the problem. acting with hostility only fuels the fire and makes you no better because now you are both toxic.

sorry but if a crazy person on the street starts screaming at you you don't "win" by screaming louder than them.

Since you are asking: I am what I am. If you ask my sister she will tell you that I am nice. If you ask the last person I voted to kick from a dungeon they will tell that I am not nice. It doesn't matter. Also, I never said that the other people I talk with tend to be arrogant nobodies, I only gave an example.

Yes, you don't win arguments by screaming. The moment the other side has lost it I already won. Here it must be noted that being not nice =/= screaming. In any case, what value do I get from arguing with arrogant people in dungeons? Such discussions don't teach me anything new and people can't really talk a lot in there so what's the point besides saying something more than "hi", "hey X, start playing, ty" / "Y, stop trolling", "bye".

And no, acting with hostility frees up pent-up frustration. I'd rather be toxic to people who deserve it in online games than buckle it all up and then lash out from the tiniest things IRL because of something that happened in a game. I play a game to enjoy it first and foremost, someone who disrupting that enjoyment already has a lost a significant amount of respect from me. They don't need or should listen to anything I say and this is the reason why I usually don't enter into a discussion with that type of people in dungeons. One to two messages at best. I will ask you why you are eating AoE on mob pulls as a tank in level 80 dungeon and have the battle mentor status on and then vote to kick you if you repeat the same thing. There is nothing really to talk about. If I am already asking you a particular question like this it's because the majority of the tanks I have played with are not doing what you are doing. So I am not used to you and I don't have a reason to become used to you unless you give me a good one. Silence is always a wrong answer.

I don't really think that pretending to be done with a problem is the same as dealing with it.

[cheolsu]

i don't want to read all these pages, but i did read the first one. i get the OP isn't going to be here, but maybe they'll read this, or someone else will

whenever i see an increase of bad behavior, i check if it's free login period. it is currently free login period

there are many prospective players so i try to be nice and helpful, but fact of the matter is, a lot of people are just passing through with no intention of sticking around, so they don't care about any repercussions

[Awha]

Since you are asking: I am what I am. If you ask my sister she will tell you that I am nice. If you ask the last person I voted to kick from a dungeon they will tell that I am not nice. It doesn't matter. Also, I never said that the other people I talk with tend to be arrogant nobodies, I only gave an example.

Yes, you don't win arguments by screaming. The moment the other side has lost it I already won. Here it must be noted that being not nice =/= screaming. In any case, what value do I get from arguing with arrogant people in dungeons? Such discussions don't teach me anything new and people can't really talk a lot in there so what's the point besides saying something more than "hi", "hey X, start playing, ty" / "Y, stop trolling", "bye".

And no, acting with hostility frees up pent-up frustration. I'd rather be toxic to people who deserve it in online games than buckle it all up and then lash out from the tiniest things IRL because of something that happened in a game. I play a game to enjoy it first and foremost, someone who disrupting that enjoyment already has a lost a significant amount of respect from me. They don't need or should listen to anything I say and this is the reason why I usually don't enter into a discussion with that type of people in dungeons. One to two messages at best. I will ask you why you are eating AoE on mob pulls as a tank in level 80 dungeon and have the battle mentor status on and then vote to kick you if you repeat the same thing. There is nothing really to talk about. If I am already asking you a particular question like this it's because the majority of the tanks I have played with are not doing what you are doing. So I am not used to you and I don't have a reason to become used to you unless you give me a good one. Silence is always a wrong answer.

I don't really think that pretending to be done with a problem is the same as dealing with it.

Hey when I am healing I want the tank to eat damage at 80 it gives me something to do. :P

[Ultaniku]

Solely my experience but I haven’t experienced any increase in toxicity. Actually I haven’t dealt with much at all lately.

[DBriggs304]

I am glad that so far, I have been 100% wrong thinking that the influx of players (especially from you know where) would be an increase in toxic behavior.

I haven't experienced any of that yet and that gives me renewed hope for the gaming community overall!

[TheRealQuah]

OP's posts in this thread are a major self report.

If in a day you meet one toxic player, they are probably toxic.
If you meets lots of toxic players, it's likely you are the toxic one.

[Vahlnir]

I am glad that so far, I have been 100% wrong thinking that the influx of players (especially from you know where) would be an increase in toxic behavior.

I haven't experienced any of that yet and that gives me renewed hope for the gaming community overall!

For those coming directly from WoW, it is probably liberating to experience an MMO that doesn't make you feel like you have a second job.