Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

[Roeshel]

So I posted MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO:

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

Troll or not, you aren't particularly someone I'd recommend discussing anything with. Quite vindictive and petty.

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

[Krotoan]

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

Two months is longer than you can keep milk in the fridge, long enough to need another haircut, 4 paychecks, 2 mortgage payments, 2 Overwatch events. Yes, 2 months is considered a long time by lots of people. It would NOT be the same thing if it happened yesterday. Can you seriously consider what someone said they were doing two months ago to be binding to their behavior today? If I said two months ago (more mind you in my case) that I didn't want to eat watermelon and then today said I wanted to , would I have been lying or being facetious about it? If someone says something EVER do they have to stick to it forever regardless of changes in circumstance and information?

In those two months the subscribers to FFXIV have grown by nearly 2 million, compared to the preceding months where it was growing but not nearly at the same exponential rate.. so I would say it has been a notable difference in the recent growth rather than the steady growth from earlier. Enough that someone who plays and visits the forums regularly like myself might notice and factor it into decisions or observations.

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

Great, you be who are, that's very noble and all, but vindictive is a very appropriate word here. Take a look at the definition and you'll see. You wanted revenge and held on to it for two months for a forum comment. You were then willing to attack and try to "expose" someone who said something unpleasant to you and frame them as lying about something they never claimed to be an absolute value and which was contextual. As the famous disney movie sings: LET IT GO. Stress is bad for you and holding on to hate is poison.

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

I'm well aware you're unlikely to care what I think about you, I'm just summarizing.
If there was any sort of apology forthcoming it definitely wouldn't be after you decide to hold a grudge like that.


You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

[Roeshel]

You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

No, I haven't. I just remember more stuff and a lot of details. People might think that I am wasting my time remembering excessive details but it helps me build a better understanding of the world in general.

If I get into the philosophical point of view two months are not always considered a lot of time by most people. It really depends on the context.

I am most definitely not holding grudges since I am not emotionally invested with you. You are just one of the curiosities I met when I came into this forum. A curiosity because the perception I was trying to project was very different from what you received so I wanted to know and understand the cause of the distortion. Not everyone needs to be holding grudges to remember past events. Some people are different than you.

Anyway, it is really odd for me when people say that wanting revenge and holding a grudge is a very bad thing to do. At what point does revenge become justice and justice becomes revenge. One of the main differences is that justice is rational, revenge is emotional. But when you are both emotional and rational what is it called or is the general understanding that emotions don't co-exist with logic? In my opinion, justice and revenge are the same thing with different labels which only serves to segregate the slightly different outcomes. Justice - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into a society, revenge - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into to your own personal life. But because you can do the latter without exactly resorting to revenge then revenge all of a sudden becomes a bad thing and justice a good thing. Many structures of society are just silly. "Justice can do what revenge does but revenge can't do what justice does" is probably what people think because justice is a slightly more complicated structure that originates from revenge and requires the participation of more people but actually this is not really true in all cases. Regardless of how justice is perceived if you think that revenge is inherently bad or a wrong thing to do then you are indirectly saying that justice is wrong. A lot of people will not go to court if feelings of resentment and hatred were not driving their actions. They want revenge and people just paint it with the fancy word justice and make people associate the good type of revenge with the one which involves society. But if you dare to presume that you know better than society then you are one step away from "receiving justice" for disrupting the established order. This only encourages follower behaviour and as a result, it is common for people to not think with their own heads.

[Krotoan]

If I get into the philosophical point of view two months are not always considered a lot of time by most people. It really depends on the context.

Two months is not a lot of time in a lifetime or say an education, however it is a lot of time to hold on to hurt feelings from a mildly insulting forum post on a video game forum or to hold somebody to a comment made in context of the moment. The idea that you are now trying to say "two months is the same as yesterday" is pretty ridiculous. Two months may be a short time (btw.. about 2 and a HALF months really.. ) in certain perspectives but it is still a sizeable chunk of time and as I cited what happened during those two months specificially, I.E. an exponentially huge growth of the FFXIV playerbase, a lot can happen in 2 months.

I am most definitely not holding grudges since I am not emotionally invested with you. You are just one of the curiosities I met when I came into this forum. A curiosity because the perception I was trying to project was very different from what you received so I wanted to know and understand the cause of the distortion. Not everyone needs to be holding grudges to remember past events. Some people are different than you.

Yet you specifically came in here to have a "gotcha" moment. Not to clarify anything. Just "you said this two months ago but you've said you're doing this now". You then proceeded to try and characterize me as "arrogant" for maintaining my original stance and clarifying my perspective as well as my statement of what you were observably doing.

Anyway, it is really odd for me when people say that wanting revenge and holding a grudge is a very bad thing to do. At what point does revenge become justice and justice becomes revenge. One of the main differences is that justice is rational, revenge is emotional. But when you are both emotional and rational what is it called or is the general understanding that emotions don't co-exist with logic? In my opinion, justice and revenge are the same thing with different labels which only serves to segregate the slightly different outcomes. Justice - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into a society, revenge - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into to your own personal life. But because you can do the latter without exactly resorting to revenge then revenge all of a sudden becomes a bad thing and justice a good thing. Many structures of society are just silly. "Justice can do what revenge does but revenge can't do what justice does" is probably what people think because justice is a slightly more complicated structure that originates from revenge and requires the participation of more people but actually this is not really true in all cases. Regardless of how justice is perceived if you think that revenge is inherently bad or a wrong thing to do then you are indirectly saying that justice is wrong. A lot of people will not go to court if feelings of resentment and hatred were not driving their actions. They want revenge and people just paint it with the fancy word justice and make people associate the good type of revenge with the one which involves society. But if you dare to presume that you know better than society then you are one step away from "receiving justice" for disrupting the established order. This only encourages follower behaviour and as a result, it is common for people to not think with their own heads.

Trying to frame someone as a liar over an old forum comment that is irrelevant in current context is not "justice". It's petty revenge and not justified in any way.


This is getting old and is far too much of this thread. I'm done. Enjoy your last word, whatever you choose to post.