Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

[AngelCheese77]

I've been watching the forums a bit and seeing how dungeon runs have been. It seems like the friendly and sociable FFXIV I knew and love is slowly getting a lot of toxicity in it. It's happened in many different ways, with some being worse than others. The incident leading me to post on this was a more toned down one, but still stupid.

Tonight's issue is I was in a roulette, I saw that our Dancer not using Dance Partner. I asked if they didn't have it at the level we were synced at or if perhaps they forgot to use it? Literally just asking because I couldn't remember and figured it's possible they just completely forgot for one reason or another. I mean, I've seen tanks forget to put on tank stance, scholars forget to bring out their fairy, and all sorts of little things. They didn't respond at all, so I said, "ok, I guess you don't speak English or chose to ignore me." At that point, they exploded as if I had been calling them all sorts of names and telling them how to play, telling me to mind my role.

I mean, ffs...really? Just curious if a lot of you are noticing the same issues?

Yeah ... your comment to the Dancer was a bit toxic as well.

There can be SO many reasons why the didn't respond to you. And you decided that the Dancer was rude because of it. Sheesh.

In my years of playing FF14 from 2.0 I've ran into ... possibly 4 real toxic incidents in DF. That's it. FOUR.

But what is considered 'toxic' in a gaming atmosphere? I've seen rude players for sure, but I wouldn't consider them toxic.

[AngelCheese77]

The irony here is that if the FC chat was busy when the question was asked, it may not have been seen at all.

Wasn't in an FC, this took place in a dungeon run.

[Roeshel]

So I posted MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO:

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

Troll or not, you aren't particularly someone I'd recommend discussing anything with. Quite vindictive and petty.

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

[MrMagic]

but the OP wasn't wrong with their observation that they were being either ignored or that the dancer couldn't speak english
plus, the player CHOSE to see it as a passive aggressive comment



don't communicate in a social mmo, good advice



maybe the dancer shouldn't see a simple question as a personal attack



and they're not the instigator either


why are some of you seeing communication as a negative thing? how players like the OP don't "deserve" to get a response and whatnot or how you wouldn't respond in chat either
do you not see how selfish that is, how it's the anti-thesis of playing TOGETHER with people? but instead some of y'all elevate themselves to some kind of moral superiority because the OP trying to ask a simple question is the toxic one

Agree to disagree then. I can't be the only one completely not surprised that it played out as it did. If you want to flip that coin then be my guest. Don't cry about it afterwards if the conversation doesn't go your way.

I'm not saying don't chat in an MMO that's just silly. You just won't see me typing what the OP typed in chat and expect happy times to follow. It comes with actually playing an MMO and knowing how not to ask someone about their job skills.

[Kes13a]

Wasn't in an FC, this took place in a dungeon run.

you can actually talk to your FC in a dungeon. so their point is valid, if their FC chat was busy, the comment by the OP could have been missed.

[Wavaryen]

Ya, this whole...mmorpg need to be social thing...Like nothing about a massive online game says you need to be social. I use people for my goals, and people are just tools to make profits off of. Is that being social? It is a rpg, and nothing about mmorpg says that you need to talk or be social.

[technole]

Some people also confuse toxicity shaming for being called out. Like making a mistake and being called out on it some actually think that's toxic, that is not. Personal responsibility is a thing in this game as well. The thing is you can get up and dust yourself off and try again.

It's okay to make mistakes, we were all new before too.

Sometimes we may get a mechanic, but the screw isn't on very tight in the 2nd run.

Basically, don't be rude to people, and if it's a mistake that needs correction, simply mention what it is without additional commentary.

It's not hard, you'll too will get over 5k commendations like I have if you do these simple things.

[MrMagic]

Some people also confuse toxicity shaming for being called out. Like making a mistake and being called out on it some actually think that's toxic, that is not. Personal responsibility is a thing in this game as well. The thing is you can get up and dust yourself off and try again.

It's okay to make mistakes, we were all new before too.

Sometimes we may get a mechanic, but the screw isn't on very tight in the 2nd run.

Basically, don't be rude to people, and if it's a mistake that needs correction, simply mention what it is without additional commentary.

It's not hard, you'll too will get over 5k commendations like I have if you do these simple things.

So hold on, you don't keep prodding when you don't get the response you want? Who'd have thought?

[Imora]

Haha, I'm new enough I wouldn't be able to argue. I played like all of 2 weeks or so back in 1.0. Then just started this back in April of this year. I'm on disability and tons of time to play and all. Especially since no car and all, so entire day is usually either in game or doing something on my computer. Resulted in me pushing MSQ fairly quick and getting into the thick of things. Whether you're trolling or sincere, will have to take your word for it, lol. Though you know what they say about myths....

Sounds like me, just with a different past playing.

The forums like to claim anyone necroing old threads or posting controversial things as that guy's alt, when I personally don't think he posts anymore. The accusations get old though, really.

Especially when you fail to understand there can be more than one forum troll, but I digress.

I haven't noticed toxicity, but I don't play higher level content. At 71 I level via trust dungeons, then shelf the job. I haven't tome farmed for a job yet, for example.

[Imora]

Yeah ... your comment to the Dancer was a bit toxic as well.

There can be SO many reasons why the didn't respond to you. And you decided that the Dancer was rude because of it. Sheesh.

In my years of playing FF14 from 2.0 I've ran into ... possibly 4 real toxic incidents in DF. That's it. FOUR.

But what is considered 'toxic' in a gaming atmosphere? I've seen rude players for sure, but I wouldn't consider them toxic.

Anyone that's rude or doesn't agree with you or play how you do is toxic.

Basically, unless you kiss the feet of someone, they'll think you're toxic. The term is so overused it means nothing anymore.