Eden 6-8 Normal Are Too Overtuned

[BlastHardcheese]

When they're released and have loot lockouts they're supposed to last you Months.

It's fine to not understand a mechanic first try, especially on that kind of timeline. Practice.

[Kewitt]

It's over-geared content now without gear sync.
So where the other 7 people new to it?

[van_arn]

They’re not overtuned, I’m just bad.

I don’t understand how these fights could be considered overtuned when o11 has the infamous larboard/starboard though; that one on launch was a beautiful mess.

I’d love to see more of all of these things. Normal does not equate to things you’ve seen elsewhere or only things you’re comfortable with. I was in love with Eden normal until e12 and its coffee biscuit exposition that made repeated runs insufferable. I love that fight’s novel mechanics, but the cutscenes and bouncy pads kill it.

[Aldora]

For me it was more or less like old school Titan. If anyone remembers, doing Titan HM or Ex was wild in early 2.0…and basically boiled down to knowing his rotation and pre-moving/anticipating what to do before it happens. Once you got that down he’s cake.

More or less the same for any raids on normal mode. There are some heavy hits and the debuff for screwing up which can be punishing, but we’re you to go through it like…a half dozen times, you’d have the fight down. For me personally, that’s a good spot for NM- I fully expect to die several times unless I watch a vid before hand, and (again) for me that is fine.

I remember those days very well. Titan HM was used in the first Relic and was a wall for quite a few people, including myself. This had to do with the latency we had back then, that were new to the mechanics used in that fight and simply less experienced in dodging them. This meant that we had to learn the order in which the mechanics would appear and anticipate when you should be moving out of the way (especially with "Weight of the World"), like you said. Because the timing was pretty tight for a European player on an NA Server (there wasn't an EU Datacenter at that time), we would really have to work on our dodging.

Due to this, i've learned how to "slide cast" (by moving at just before the cast goes off and doesn't cancel it) or recognize patterns, so that i can move as little as possible and keep casting. It's all about practice and muscle memory. Keep practicing the moves and you'll get it eventually.

I think the current NM difficulty is at a good spot, with dungeons at the entry level, trials as an introduction of the more mechanic heavy fights and the 8 man Raids as training for the other difficulty levels. Once you get more experienced, move to EX Trails and work your way up to Savage / Ultimate.

Personally, i don't watch video's for dungeons and Normal trials / raids. They can be learned simply by experiencing them a few times. I'd even go as far as joining / forming blind learning groups for Ex Trials. They are fun to figure out ourselves, as a group.

[Roeshel]

As the Master Raider you feel you are, maybe responding with something a bit more substantive about how the mechanics are proper in the Normal verisions because of how the Savage version builds on them. Or any other mechanical based argument rather than just

'oh you're from one of those servers'

How is pointing the server they are from not substantive enough? Like, you need to know the clear rates of the servers first and foremost and then make the deduction that X type of players are more prevalent than Y type of players. And judging from that you can make the conclusion that Z type of mindset will be more common than A which is also the factor that contributed the most to the formation of the opening post. Arguing with the OP about why E6-E8 normal are not hard and overtuned is completely pointless. They said in the preface that they cleared them on their first try which only serves as an argument against the raids being overtuned but they can't realize that. This is how you know that intelligent discussion will get you nowhere.

[Lauront]

They’re not overtuned, I’m just bad.

I don’t understand how these fights could be considered overtuned when o11 has the infamous larboard/starboard though; that one on launch was a beautiful mess.

I’d love to see more of all of these things. Normal does not equate to things you’ve seen elsewhere or only things you’re comfortable with. I was in love with Eden normal until e12 and its coffee biscuit exposition that made repeated runs insufferable. I love that fight’s novel mechanics, but the cutscenes and bouncy pads kill it.

Agreed, made even worse by the fact that you can't skip the coffee cringe and have to endure it every single time.

[Vahlnir]

Yeah...they aren't over tuned. At all. Eden 7 is kinda horrible and continues to confuse me to this day, but I also don't do it very often. But other than that one in particular, I'd argue that every single Eden floor is easy.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Can we stop overnerfing difficulty for the lazy and selfish people that call themselves "casuals"?

I swears it feels like the average player level is decreasing with each year instead of increasing

Unfortunately it’s already happening. Yoshi said he wants to streamline dungeons even more than they already have been. This is what happens when we have a community that enables toxic casuals.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Agreed, made even worse by the fact that you can't skip the coffee cringe and have to endure it every single time.

And that e12 is a long fight without a checkpoint, so if you wipe late in the fight, you have to watch it all twice.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Agreed, made even worse by the fact that you can't skip the coffee cringe and have to endure it every single time.

Excuse me? Please do not hate on my amazing children. They’re innocent and must be protected at all costs!


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