Idea for housing system

[ReynTime]

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

[Sotaris]

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

Of course, they said the same thing when the timer was implemented.

[Sotaris]

I don't got to waste my time. Or do like some of these people do. Use a bot.

Wasting your time is a player choice. The system isn't intended to click for 10+ hours in a row. Generally speaking a plot is unavailable the first 8 hours from it goes on sale so you should go back after 8-9 hours unless someone relocated to it.

Second, I don't think as many uses bots as some people think, most keyboards nowadays have macro capability and while that automates work and is technically against ToS it isn't a bot.

[Infindox]

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

[LaylaTsarra]

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

I don't think the lottery applies day one but for houses that are under a timer due to demolition. I believe housing with be first come first server as it's always been with the new wards but I could be wrong. They also haven't stated how many wards will be FC only. I would hope they're not half the wards because that just invites more people to create small FC's as opposed to purchasing a private.

[Jadedsins]

Wasting your time is a player choice. The system isn't intended to click for 10+ hours in a row. Generally speaking a plot is unavailable the first 8 hours from it goes on sale so you should go back after 8-9 hours unless someone relocated to it.

Second, I don't think as many uses bots as some people think, most keyboards nowadays have macro capability and while that automates work and is technically against ToS it isn't a bot.

That is too much trouble, and I really don't know if it is bots or not. But watching a huge crowd stand around waiting to get lucky is annoying. So I like rng bidding and if I get lucky cool. It means I don't got to stand around long hours to wait.


Is is perfect? Nope, but it is much better than macros/bots/or just coming back every 8 hours whatever.

[Jojoya]

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

We don't know that's going to happen. SE has not told us how relocation will be getting affected by the new systems. It's always possible it will bypass the lottery system just as it currently bypasses the purchase timer.

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

We don't know that either. YoshiP even said they have yet to decide how to allocate the wards types.

There are always going to be issues as long as there are fewer houses than players who want to buy a house and multiple house ownership is allowed to aggravate the problem. Players forget the one personal house restriction is only per world, not per account. I have characters on 8 different worlds. That means I can own 8 personal houses if I want. If I ever decided to do it, 7 other players who want a house would not able to get one.

SE needs to stop pouring resources into their heavily flawed ward system and start putting them into one that will accommodate all players who want a house.

That is too much trouble, and I really don't know if it is bots or not. But watching a huge crowd stand around waiting to get lucky is annoying. So I like rng bidding and if I get lucky cool. It means I don't got to stand around long hours to wait.


Is is perfect? Nope, but it is much better than macros/bots/or just coming back every 8 hours whatever.

Are you going to be happy with the system when you still can't get a house?

[Bright-Flower]

While not perfect, things have been slowly going in the right direction.

Adding the timer was the lesser of two evils. As annoying as they are, at least it limits plot flipping to an extent, but they didn't go far enough. By allowing transfers, better plots can still be 'sold' to people with less desired plots.

The timers however have their own problems that will, to an extent, be dealt with by the lottery system, but because the lottery system is only applying to SOME wards for some reason it's once again a half measure that won't entirely address the issue. But at least people will have a choice to just focus on lottery wards I guess?

What they ought to do is implement the lottery system into every ward, including transfers and new purchases both.

As for how many people use clock bots, even if the number were zero the timer system would still be flawed and the lottery system will still be a better alternative to making people stand around for hours clicking, because if they don't someone else will instantly snatch up the plot and you'll essentially never have a chance.

The idea solution would be to add enough plots, or a separate instanced housing system EVERYONE has access to, but I don't expect that to happen. The population influx is going to make keeping up with plots even more difficult and I don't know if their servers could actually handle giving every character an instanced house. Even if it was say, limited to level 90+.

[Seer7]

Hard disagree. I think that being able to pay into a lottery and then get your gil back if you lose is infintiely better than competing against click bots for random timers.

Yes, rng is rng and it can suck, but on the other hand, it's more fair than the clickbot situation we have now, and less time consuming if you want to be doing other things in the game beyond standing next to a placard waiting.

But why don't just make a system like what I talk about at the beginning? if we are talking about a fair way to buy a house queuing is going to be the fairest way, people may think that is too many players want a house so is almost impossible to queue until you, but the same thing happens in lottery system or what the situation right now, some people might say lottery system is fair to people who come late, but what about those who already wish to buy a house for a very long time, it's not fair to them at all isn't?

[Shougun]

I'm glad the lottery element is being added, but only in so much that it's going to stop what, imo, is exceptionally unhealthy and emotionally taxing behaviors and events. For people to sit there and pray at a placard for many hours on end, to the point you might consider it a health hazard, and then lose it. That's just... no.. nah... Can't have that. imo. To the level that I feel some people might permanently have had their experience of the game ruined, and such that losing to RNG will just be like "ARRGG" vs "I'm going to throw my computer out the window" lol.

I /expect/ that RNGeus is going to piss some people off, but I think the alternative makes this better. Doesn't mean all issues are solved, pack it up we're done, just that this devil is better than the other devil.

We'll always have these issues until there is instanced housing, and by that I mean housing that is able to meet the demand of every player. If not this game I hope they can realize that in the next mmo, it's potentially such a cool system with massively diverse potentials. Rather than the 4 areas we have now, games that go instanced allow you a huge array more of potential creativity (and there are systems that don't kill neighborhoods either, Wildstar had one, or you could potentially have a mix of physical and instanced if you wanted a bit of both worlds as which is the system I suggest these days as I don't want to kill a system others may enjoy).

Although I do think that some players may potentially become quite pleased with Sanctuary, if it is what I'm thinking it is - might have some homely / home base like elements, I kind of hope there is some progression and progression related to a few structures as well (like we see the windmill in the concept art). There is an opportunity to be in what one may compare to like an Assassins Creed homestead or maybe Garrisons (although one would hope if they looked at Garrisons, which I'm fine if they did, that A. they don't abandon the content like Blizzard did, and B. they noted some of the things Blizzard struggled with such that FFXIV just plainly does it better). It might be smart to include some furnishing slots in this system too, even if it's not technically fully a house or what have you (like 20 slots of outdoor furnishings) or whatever amount allows players to slap down some of their seasonal items they earn occasionally (or maybe seasonal events will come with 'kits' that can redocrate). Allowing players to connect their apartment room to the content could be a very neat effect, or at least have an inn room like option.

Anyway, back on track.. lol, so we've the lottery system incoming and to discuss the FIFO system suggested (first in / first out) - I think the problem there is you'd have bots or whatever have you people queue and queue and queue and queue. To the point that a new player joins the game and it's like "12,000 years before it's your turn". Which again isn't me saying I prefer RNG to dictate this, but that RNG can give people hope and freedom from the nightmare I've seen described by placards, and still works against the whole reselling market. Some people wonder why we had placards but before them reselling was rampant, VERY, rampant, except for locations that were deemed uninteresting lol (Goblet for whatever reason has low desires, I think it's cute but.. maybe just me). Like choosing to get stung by a bee or getting stung by 10 wasps. One might think "neither", but then you do neither and it's being stung by 12 bullet ants.