Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Iscah]

Noctis is androgynous as well but doesnt look girly he's masculine as well. : https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4767...000,f8f8f8.jpg
Or maybe i'm blind xD

Or maybe you're just overusing the word "androgynous"?

If he's "not girly" and he's "masculine", then it doesn't make sense calling him androgynous.

It's a word that means it's hard to tell which gender the person is.

He looks like a young man, not an ambiguous person who could be man or woman.

[LuciaMirain]

Or maybe you're just overusing the word "androgynous"?

If he's "not girly" and he's "masculine", then it doesn't make sense calling him androgynous.

It's a word that means it's hard to tell which gender the person is.

He looks like a young man, not an ambiguous person who could be man or woman.

Yeah I agree. I think it just boils down to peoples views on what men and women are supposed to look like. In todays world where there is alot of selfexpression and being a beautiful man isnt a bad thing it is honestly a little strange to see this discussion take place. They look like young men, young pretty men, sure, and I could probably find some girls that look like them too, but I dont think looking at the male viera I immediately think "girls".

But this is probably the same discussion as with femroes, to me they look like bodybuilder women and in some cases like dragqueens or even male, still people insist they are very feminine. No they really arent, and that is completely ok. If I want a very feminine looking character I can pick the other races.

[Juzjuzz]

Or maybe you're just overusing the word "androgynous"?

If he's "not girly" and he's "masculine", then it doesn't make sense calling him androgynous.

In the case of Noctis yes, i might be wrong. He has strong jaw x)
But what i wanted to say is : when i talk about someone androgynous i look at the shape of the face, without counting the hair, eyelashes or anything that can be changed.
A better example is Cloud : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr
And look at lightning : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr

Guive to Cloud the same hair as Lightning, some makeup and he'll look very feminine. Yet with his current hair and absence of makeup he looks masculine.
Viera have the same type of face but have thick eyelashes by default that guive them a more feminine look without any chance of adjustment. With many of the haircuts being cute, achieving something similar as Cloud is more difficult. It's close sure, but when i tried with my character there are moments where he just looks really close to a girl :


I'm not saying viera shouldn't be girly, it's just a nice idea for ppl who want something closer to Squall or Cloud. I don't think it's something that breaks the lore or anything.
Even for the beard a more masculine face is needed, if it's too mutch on the girl side it will look weird. Unless you really want to have a girl with a beard, then it's ideal.

[juicybug]

In the case of Noctis yes, i might be wrong. He has strong jaw x)
But what i wanted to say is : when i talk about someone androgynous i look at the shape of the face, without counting the hair, eyelashes or anything that can be changed.
A better example is Cloud : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr
And look at lightning : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr

Guive to Cloud the same hair as Lightning, some makeup and he'll look very feminine. Yet with his current hair and absence of makeup he looks masculine.
Viera have the same type of face but have thick eyelashes by default that guive them a more feminine look without any chance of adjustment. With many of the haircuts being cute, achieving something similar as Cloud is more difficult. It's close sure, but when i tried with my character there are moments where he just looks really close to a girl :


I'm not saying viera shouldn't be girly, it's just a nice idea for ppl who want something closer to Squall or Cloud. I don't think it's something that breaks the lore or anything.
Even for the beard a more masculine face is needed, if it's too mutch on the girl side it will look weird. Unless you really want to have a girl with a beard, then it's ideal.

Well tbf, the majority of male characters within the FF universe are quite effeminate or androgynous, if you actually look at them & compare them to real life men- & not just male models, men in general. FF men have facial qualities most would associate with women such as slender noses, larger eyes, narrow / weaker jaw & chins, lack of facial or body hair, except for the rough wayward, messy- mullet, shag wearing types like Auron or Snow. Enix/Square soft had/has an ideal look and it's sort of a realistic anime/mannequin appearance from what I guess & why they mostly refrain from going for a realistic character profile, to keep a unique style? More cost effective? (I think they used real people's profiles for the FF 15 movie? and Squall was inspired from the late River Phoenix) Most FF characters are under 30, & have little to no evidence of male body hair & immaculate eyebrows that are always on fleek.
Also, I'm not ranting or pooping on anybody's thoughts & opinions, or putting anyone down- just pointing some details out!

[VirusOnline]

I'm not saying viera shouldn't be girly, it's just a nice idea for ppl who want something closer to Squall or Cloud. I don't think it's something that breaks the lore or anything.
Even for the beard a more masculine face is needed, if it's too mutch on the girl side it will look weird. Unless you really want to have a girl with a beard, then it's ideal.

Your post really got me thinking. I drew this for better lack of words of what I wanted, facial hair wise and masculinity wise.
No matter how I drew it, it's too true that a slightly more masculine face of face 4 is needed. I like male viera. But we all have the perfect scenario of our character.



Mind you, this isn't a complaint, perhaps a mixture of a request and a wish lol. The state of the faces now make it near impossible for facial hair to be believable.

[Juzjuzz]

Your post really got me thinking. I drew this for better lack of words of what I wanted, facial hair wise and masculinity wise.
No matter how I drew it, it's too true that a slightly more masculine face of face 4 is needed. I like male viera. But we all have the perfect scenario of our character.



Mind you, this isn't a complaint, perhaps a mixture of a request and a wish lol. The state of the faces now make it near impossible for facial hair to be believable.

That's amazing art and it really shows what i was trying to say !

I don't know, guys. They look pretty Disney Prince to me. Not any in particular but if you slapped a male Viera in front of me and said this was from Frozen 6 I'd believe you.

I see the asian beauty standards with the facial expression of a disney prince but nothing more. The designs of disney and FFXIV are very different outside of that.

[LisSquid]

I see the asian beauty standards with the facial expression of a disney prince but nothing more. The designs of disney and FFXIV are very different outside of that.

Yeah, definitely not the style but the vibe for me.

I'm still waiting for a Men in Tights glam.