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  1. #21
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    I don't think the dev team has a natural instinct for streamlining FFXIV, the only elements that are streamlined are either, over streamlined (the anima system) or stolen from wow (instant mounts). MMO's are hard to design for because the community has the end all say if the game is fun or not, if the community isn't willing to sit down and use the enmity system to ensure everyone doing max damage then its not going to happen and the developers need to abandon it immediately.
    I think they should just scrap left and right bonuses to be honest since that way they can still keep the back attack weapon skills vital to have a tank without sacrificing unrealistic expectations of perfect tanking...
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  2. #22
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    Buddhsie's Avatar
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    Buddhsie Asura
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    I definitely agree with you there, Gladiator should have ALL their extra skill effects trigger from frontal attacks - it only makes sense that way.

    Some valid points are being made, it will be nice to see a response about this sometime after the holiday break.
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  3. #23
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    Enyae Demetra
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    I enjoy having to move around to pull off combos. Solo combat has been quite fun since 1.20.
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  4. #24
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    Syntax Lies
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    the only prob i have at this point is how archers arnt as limited. It makes them overpowerd. And im not complaining, i will finally give in and just lvl archer, it was meant to be a suppose.

    our LS defeated moogle with no raise mechanic, 3 mage, 1 glad, 1 archer, 1 mrd, 2 lnc. so it can be done. But the one archer still did about 10k more dame cause they can pull off combos from just about anywhere.
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  5. #25
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    Fated Erskine
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    the only prob i have at this point is how archers arnt as limited. It makes them overpowerd. And im not complaining, i will finally give in and just lvl archer, it was meant to be a suppose.

    our LS defeated moogle with no raise mechanic, 3 mage, 1 glad, 1 archer, 1 mrd, 2 lnc. so it can be done. But the one archer still did about 10k more dame cause they can pull off combos from just about anywhere.
    I agree, Archers have too many advantages as it stands. They shouldn't have close range AoE immunity and be able to combo endlessly because their combo requirements are basically nothing. If the argument is made that "they pay for their damage" well that's fine, charge my Lancer for damage and I'll gladly pay.

    I like the combo system and I think it was a necessary implementation, but the directional requirements don't work well with the current server structure when engaged in high movement fights.

    At least I'm glad your LS did the moogle primal against the grain, make a video please.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fated View Post
    I agree, Archers have too many advantages as it stands. They shouldn't have close range AoE immunity and be able to combo endlessly because their combo requirements are basically nothing. If the argument is made that "they pay for their damage" well that's fine, charge my Lancer for damage and I'll gladly pay.

    I like the combo system and I think it was a necessary implementation, but the directional requirements don't work well with the current server structure when engaged in high movement fights.

    At least I'm glad your LS did the moogle primal against the grain, make a video please.
    i didnt realize that everyone was still using archer setup or i would have. ill have someone fraps it next time we have a unique party structure(which is most of the time but not every time, really just depends whos available) Its def not the fastest win though, we are usually down to the last min zerging the glad. One time we killed the glad(got xp) but the clock ran out, that sucked.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    i didnt realize that everyone was still using archer setup or i would have. ill have someone fraps it next time we have a unique party structure(which is most of the time but not every time, really just depends whos available) Its def not the fastest win though, we are usually down to the last min zerging the glad. One time we killed the glad(got xp) but the clock ran out, that sucked.
    Ouch lol.. Yeah, we usually ran with 5 ARCs and it was cake, any other class just doesn't compare if they don't land all combos. If they did I suspect ARC would be outdamaged quite convincingly, balanced by the fact that they can stand out of AoE range to fight. Seems like that's the way it should be.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by normalforce View Post
    I enjoy having to move around to pull off combos. Solo combat has been quite fun since 1.20.
    LOL yeah some fun! Its annoying and it sucks. Take the position bonuses off leave the combos from any position! This is supposed to be a game and all this stress over positioning ruins my immersion XDD. I wanna sit there and do kewl flashy combos over and over again till the mob is mush.

    Have you ever tried to land a simian thrash combo with another pgl in the party and a gla trying to land riot blade as well....

    NOT FUN!!! This whole position crap needs to be scrapped in its entirety and just leave the regular combos with slight combo bonuses with each WS.
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  9. #29
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    Justin Beiber
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    Quote Originally Posted by XStruckX View Post
    I wanna sit there and do kewl flashy combos over and over again till the mob is mush.
    I can't tell if you're serious...
    Have you ever tried to land a simian thrash combo with another pgl in the party and a gla trying to land riot blade as well....
    Most of the time my GLAs stay pretty stationary so everyone else can combo. How exactly does the tank get behind a mob, anyway? Just run around it in circles and hope the server thinks you're "behind?" o.0

    I like having to move around. It's a lot more entertaining than... well, sitting there doing kewl flashy combos over and over again till the mob is mush? Admittedly it takes some amount of skill and concentration, certainly beyond watching TV while pressing buttons in the right order, but I don't think that's such a terrible thing. >.>;
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    Last edited by Mychael; 02-12-2012 at 06:41 PM.

  10. #30
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    Nyris Reach
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    I'd rather they fix the way your position is relayed to the client as well as the lag/latency
    And then combo conditions become a lot less of an issue

    I've noticed one true fact...
    Many people don't want the game to be easier... and get upset when it is even suggested
    But....
    NO ONE gets upset over fixing latency/lag issues... even if it indirectly makes the game easier
    That's because it DIRECTLY makes the game BETTER
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