So, a lottery system and a divide between FC and solo wards, eh?

[Jojoya]

Lottery has been suggested many times, it just means the bots would have a high succesrate of winning a plot when they put in 1000 bots on the same plot, likewise FCs and private houses should not be seperated.

You have yet to explain why bot operators would want a house when that represents millions of gil they could be selling to players.

You also seem to forget you can't just push out a stream of level 1 bots to buy a ticket. Any character still needs to meet purchase eligibility requirements including the deposit fee for the plot, which we assume will be the plot purchase price (it wouldn't make sense to bother with a deposit fee if it wasn't).

Is some bot operator going to tie up over 3 billion gil for the sake of getting a single house? Of course not. They're going to be selling that gil for real money.

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More thoughts about the mentioned changes, this time with respect to house flipping.

FC wards - house flipping will continue whether FCFS or lottery. Those who want to buy the house would be buying the FC.

Private wards - house flipping will run rampant in the FCFS wards if there is no purchase timer. House flipping might be killed in the lotttery wards depending on relocation rules.

If relocation can bypass the lottery, then there will be house flipping to relocators. If it can't, then flipping would be effectively killed in the private wards. There would be no way to bypass the lottery.

I don't see flippers resorting to selling their service accounts as a way to sell private houses because most players would want the house on the character they already have. I suppose it's still possible in the case of a player who sees owning a large house as the ultimate prestige item to show off (they could always rename/Fantasia the character to their liking after purchase) but I would put it at extremely unlikely.

[Nepentha]

You have yet to explain why bot operators would want a house when that represents millions of gil they could be selling to players.

You also seem to forget you can't just push out a stream of level 1 bots to buy a ticket. Any character still needs to meet purchase eligibility requirements including the deposit fee for the plot, which we assume will be the plot purchase price (it wouldn't make sense to bother with a deposit fee if it wasn't).

Is some bot operator going to tie up over 3 billion gil for the sake of getting a single house? Of course not. They're going to be selling that gil for real money.

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More thoughts about the mentioned changes, this time with respect to house flipping.

FC wards - house flipping will continue whether FCFS or lottery. Those who want to buy the house would be buying the FC.

Private wards - house flipping will run rampant in the FCFS wards if there is no purchase timer. House flipping might be killed in the lotttery wards depending on relocation rules.

If relocation can bypass the lottery, then there will be house flipping to relocators. If it can't, then flipping would be effectively killed in the private wards. There would be no way to bypass the lottery.

I don't see flippers resorting to selling their service accounts as a way to sell private houses because most players would want the house on the character they already have. I suppose it's still possible in the case of a player who sees owning a large house as the ultimate prestige item to show off (they could always rename/Fantasia the character to their liking after purchase) but I would put it at extremely unlikely.

Yeah that's not very well thought through counter argument, agreed. If they go with a lotto system, I would hope there would be something in place to recognize a ticket holder has already purchased multiple homes in the past and disqualify them. (Though this would have to flag an account rather than just a character. Flippers would just delete and recreate characters.) But only for FC housing, which is the primary method of reselling houses atm since placard timers make it so you can't demo to let someone else purchase the plot.

Housing hoarders do this as well. I know of one person who has bought up 25+ FC houses on 4 different Crystal DC so far. Mostly in the last month and a half and likely will go for more. And SE just turns a blind eye to this sort of thing.

Also they didn't mention relocating at all. Which is the *second* way resellers are continuing operations. They buy up mediums, larges and small properties that are desirable, then sell relocations into those plots (and relocate into an open plot, taking it from people who are already there clicking).

So honestly, I'm waiting to see how they plan to do this before I decide how to feel about it.

[Almagnus1]

Housing hoarders do this as well. I know of one person who has bought up 25+ FC houses on 4 different Crystal DC so far. Mostly in the last month and a half and likely will go for more. And SE just turns a blind eye to this sort of thing.

Throwing some numbers out there, just make all house owners pay upkeep costs of like 50k gil/week for each small personal house, 100k gil/week for a medium personal house, 200k gil/week for a large personal house, or 1M gil/week for a small FC house, 2M gil/week for medium FC house, or 3M gil/week for a large FC house. If they can figure out how to pay those costs for all the houses they own, the can keep them. If they can't, that's their problem.

[Nepentha]

Throwing some numbers out there, just make all house owners pay upkeep costs of like 50k gil/week for each small personal house, 100k gil/week for a medium personal house, 200k gil/week for a large personal house, or 1M gil/week for a small FC house, 2M gil/week for medium FC house, or 3M gil/week for a large FC house. If they can figure out how to pay those costs for all the houses they own, the can keep them. If they can't, that's their problem.

SE is not likely to implement this weird fixation of yours. Also, I don't think you realize just how much gil people have. I'm watching people buy relocations or FC houses for anywhere from 60 million (for a lvl 6 bare bones FC with a small house in a weird location attached) to 800 million+ (for a large house in a desirable location). Housing hoarders have a lot of gil, that's how they got where they are now. Implementing this weird fixation of yours wouldn't be so much as a blip on their radar.

[Almagnus1]

SE is not likely to implement this weird fixation of yours. Also, I don't think you realize just how much gil people have. I'm watching people buy relocations or FC houses for anywhere from 60 million (for a lvl 6 bare bones FC with a small house in a weird location attached) to 800 million+ (for a large house in a desirable location). Housing hoarders have a lot of gil, that's how they got where they are now. Implementing this weird fixation of yours wouldn't be so much as a blip on their radar.

No, but it makes it harder (mechanically) to maintain the ward of FCs, while largely being invisible to the average person. There's plenty of other MMOs that have housing systems that don't screw over the players this badly that have rent. Given how badly SE has screwed up housing, maybe it's time to start bringing in some of the mechanics that people on this forum hate (likely because it would be invisible to the average player but screw them over) because those mechanics may actually help solve the issue.

[Nepentha]

No, but it makes it harder (mechanically) to maintain the ward of FCs, while largely being invisible to the average person. There's plenty of other MMOs that have housing systems that don't screw over the players this badly that have rent. Given how badly SE has screwed up housing, maybe it's time to start bringing in some of the mechanics that people on this forum hate (likely because it would be invisible to the average player but screw them over) because those mechanics may actually help solve the issue.

Harder for who? Not for the housing hoarders. They'll make back whatever they pay in rent easily, and then some. How would it make them stand out? Because the rest of the playerbase would be unable to keep up with it so anyone who actually has a house and can pay the rent is some mythical unicorn suddenly?

I don't care that other games are charging rent fees (and the only ones I know of are LotRO and EQ, none of the current big name MMOs do). This is FFXIV, not them.

Your ideas are never thought out. Your grandiose solution to a problem is taking a sledge hammer to it, no matter who gets hurt when it comes down. Placard clicking is an example of this. Your wonderful idea turned out to be a nightmare by turning players into rats in a variable ratio experiment and helping a growing placard bot underground to flourish. And those people you thought it would hurt? Laughed the whole time all the way to the gil bank.

Think before you type. Rather than grind your teeth at the idea of some housing hoarder or reseller getting away with owning their houses, consider how useful a solution really is. Sticking it to a marginal group of people should not be greater than the desire to actually come up with lasting, beneficial change.

[Almagnus1]

Harder for who? Not for the housing hoarders. They'll make back whatever they pay in rent easily, and then some. How would it make them stand out? Because the rest of the playerbase would be unable to keep up with it so anyone who actually has a house and can pay the rent is some mythical unicorn suddenly?

I don't care that other games are charging rent fees (and the only ones I know of are LotRO and EQ, none of the current big name MMOs do). This is FFXIV, not them.

Your ideas are never thought out. Your grandiose solution to a problem is taking a sledge hammer to it, no matter who gets hurt when it comes down. Placard clicking is an example of this. Your wonderful idea turned out to be a nightmare by turning players into rats in a variable ratio experiment and helping a growing placard bot underground to flourish. And those people you thought it would hurt? Laughed the whole time all the way to the gil bank.

Think before you type. Rather than grind your teeth at the idea of some housing hoarder or reseller getting away with owning their houses, consider how useful a solution really is. Sticking it to a marginal group of people should not be greater than the desire to actually come up with lasting, beneficial change.

And it's really easy to just copy-pasta that without thinking of a different alternative because you see the FFXIV housing system and go: