Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[MilkieTea]

ladies and gents
i bring to you the ultimate in bisho entertainment…

my male viera

slightly slightly OT but…

decided to do a lil doodle of this guy

[Yencat]

and got an idea: I think it would be pretty cool if in 6.x or beyond we got a questline or a part of the MsQ showcasing male viera and their lifestyles, as well as how they raise the children and live in what appears to be small families, maybe we could even explore that with the machinist NPC we saw on the benchmark, but the concept art certainly has given me food for thought

Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd like to further explore Viera lore as well, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

[zeylos]

Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd also like to further explore Viera lore, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

[Yencat]

I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

If a male viera is exiled he's also not supposed to be welcome to go back though.

Anything is possible if they write it that way of course, and I wouldn't be mad if they did, but I'd rather they didn't because it feels like it's watering it down established lore and story for exposition.

I think the mystery adds to the appeal, but that's just my take

[SturmChurro]

If a male viera is exiled he's also not supposed to be welcome to go back though.

Anything is possible if they write it that way of course, and I wouldn't be mad if they did, but I'd rather they didn't because it feels like it's watering it down established lore and story for exposition.

I think the mystery adds to the appeal, but that's just my take

The lore already feels watered down. They don't really seem like how I imagined them. The facial hair styles I've seen seem too well kempt (or fake). On top of them looking really young. The whole vibe just feels off to me.

[Yencat]

The lore already feels watered down. They don't really seem like how I imagined them. The facial hair styles I've seen seem too well kempt. On top of them looking really young. The whole vibe just feels off to me.

It does, and same with female Viera I guess, but playable characters are "unique" in that sense. But that's why I'd rather they stayed away from it, I don't want them to be made adorable by having a field trip to see them run a daycare or whatever when we're explicitly supposed to be very unwelcome guests.

If they want to give more exposition they can invent a village of exiled viera or focus on viera groups living in another city, but I'd rather they didn't intrude on the 'core viera' stuff any further.

[SturmChurro]

It does, and same with female Viera I guess, but playable characters are "unique" in that sense. But that's why I'd rather they stayed away from it, I don't want them to be made adorable by having a field trip to see them run a daycare or whatever when we're explicitly supposed to be very unwelcome guests.

If they want to give more exposition they can invent a village of exiled viera or focus on viera groups living in another city, but I'd rather they didn't intrude on the 'core viera' stuff any further.

I wasn't disagreeing, I don't really want to see any of that stuff either. I also didn't read the quote you were replying to, just adding with my own reply.

Viera right now just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

[Renik]

Ehhh, I don't know... Much as I'd like to further explore Viera lore as well, I also don't really want them to mess with the established lore too much. We're already definitely not supposed to be welcome in any Viera villages, let alone tagging along with a group of male Viera like it's a field trip.

Getting to visit Fanow was a neat way to get around 'lore restrictions', but I'd rather they just let it be now and not twist it any further just for some exposition.

For me male Viera are far from what they should be, they took way too much feedback from the community and nothing from Matsuno, don't get me wrong, I still love how the ended and I'm going to switch, but they are not Ivalice canon for me, so they can do with the lore whatever they want, as long as they don't start bending the ffxiv existing lore on M viera too much.

In short, a quest for lore on them would be nice if done carefully.

[MikkoAkure]

I think that an easy way to allow for it without breaking lore would be to make us go there for/through a male viera NPC, perhaps he himself is exiled and there's a bit of stuff going on there. I just think it'd be a waste for us not to see any of it. Another possibility is that we simply 'tag along' to the male viera group for a while out of pure necessity, and concepts like alienation could also be explored very well I think. Overall, I just hope we get to see a bit of male viera society inside the woods/mountains. Also think it'd be adorable to have male viera parents raising a child together n maybe we have to help save the child, it's just a ton of good lore I hope doesn't get wasted (like the 12, that were basically a bit of mentioned lore and finally we are exploring them more with the new 24-man raid)

The thing is though, where would this scenario of yours take place? We're not going back to the Ivalice general region this upcoming expansion and none of the zones in EW are anywhere close to the Golmore Jungle. Matsuno's not coming back this time around so I don't think we're getting anything new. Not counting the viis, who aren't necessarily 1-to-1 for viera, we only see 3 viera characters in the entire game. Considering with how they said male viera were worked on during free time, it sounds like they're just tacked on and I don't think they're going to have any impact or even cameos in the story until 7.0 at the earliest.

[Yencat]

I wasn't disagreeing, I don't really want to see any of that stuff either. I also didn't read the quote you were replying to, just adding with my own reply.

Viera right now just feels like massive fan service, specifically catered to like the twitter, or reddit crowd.

Oh I'm not arguing, just adding additional thoughts

Playable viera was always going to be a fan service situation and that's perfectly fine, but most races/clans don't get a ton of extra exposition anyway so it's not like we'd be left out.

For me male Viera are far from what they should be, they took way too much feedback from the community and nothing from Matsuno, don't get me wrong, I still love how the ended and I'm going to switch, but they are not Ivalice canon for me, so they can do with the lore whatever they want, as long as they don't start bending the ffxiv existing lore on M viera too much.

In short, a quest for lore on them would be nice if done carefully.

Yeah I can see why you'd feel that way, I also think they can look good but they're a far cry from the boxer-type Matsuno talked about, but I never intended to play one so it's kinda whatever to me. That art is very cute but definitely heavy fan service though.

A quest could definitely be done, but tagging along with a merry band of male viera and their kids is a bit too much.