Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[MrMagic]

Lost City of Amdapor. Tank was another one of those that once they lose aggro they never bother getting it back. Ok we’ll burn that one down without the tanks help. Then another mob targets the healer because the tank didn’t pick it up. The tank does nothing so I hit it to get aggro and then dragged it to the tank. Right as I stood by the tank, a roaming mob targeted me. Tank didn’t bother with that one either.

Ran a third mob into the boss room because the tank wasn’t paying attention. That one was my bad. Don’t open the chests (mimic). I stood by the tank next to the boss and they did nothing. I was almost dead after using emergency shield but then the mob targeted the healer. Tank left it to kill the healer leading to a wipe.

No one bothered with the Mould Colonies which spawn more adds except me. Tank parked so far from it I had to single target while the rest played with the spawning adds.

To rub salt into my wounds, the SCH did not use Esuna even once throughout the whole dungeon. There were poison stacks going everywhere but they kept us up so oh well. That was until we both got hit with paralysis for 30 seconds. They didn’t even Esuna themselves and tried to heal through it the whole time.

Did I mention I was playing Black Mage. Basically couldn’t cast at all for 30 seconds.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Running two diurnals in a level 50 alliance raid is hardly an issue, both of you aren't really going to heal that much, and shields are hardly necessary.

No but its bad etiquette and a bad president to set for higher level content. Sometimes its unavoidable if enemies get pulled before the other healer realizes their mistake but to blatantly do it is just... Dumb really.

[Rilifane]

No but its bad etiquette and a bad president to set for higher level content. Sometimes its unavoidable if enemies get pulled before the other healer realizes their mistake but to blatantly do it is just... Dumb really.

Why is it bad etiquette, bad for higher level content or dumb?
All regens stack, normal/ alli raids and trials don't require shields in any form to survive anything, early prog savage is done with some communication (and probably with a [One Player per Job] lock) anyway. So I'd genuinly like to hear an answer that makes sense.
Because "Well... because! 2 ASTs automatically mean different Sects.. DUH! Unwritten rule!" doesn't make sense at all.

[Avidria]

Why is it bad etiquette, bad for higher level content or dumb?
All regens stack, normal/ alli raids and trials don't require shields in any form to survive anything, early prog savage is done with some communication (and probably with a [One Player per Job] lock) anyway. So I'd genuinly like to hear an answer that makes sense.
Because "Well... because! 2 ASTs automatically mean different Sects.. DUH! Unwritten rule!" doesn't make sense at all.

I'm pretty sure they don't stack with each other. The tooltip on aspected benefic says "effect cannot be stacked" and after a quick search it sounds like most people are saying diurnal hots don't stack with each other. Am I missing something here?

[BaconBits]

I'm pretty sure they don't stack with each other. The tooltip on aspected benefic says "effect cannot be stacked" and after a quick search it sounds like most people are saying diurnal hots don't stack with each other. Am I missing something here?

Nah that's probably it. As far as I know, two Diurnal users can't stack their effects with one another, similar to how Nocturnal shields don't play nice with Scholar.

The only healer that Diurnal Astros can stack their regens with is White Mage.

[IDontPetLalas]

Nah that's probably it. As far as I know, two Diurnal users can't stack their effects with one another, similar to how Nocturnal shields don't play nice with Scholar.

The only healer that Diurnal Astros can stack their regens with is White Mage.

They do not stack between AST. No, in a crystal tower alliance run the chances of wiping to this are very low however irrespective of that it develops bad habits.

As pointed out previously, it can happen inadvertently if both AST switch to the same sect and someone pulls before checking if everyone is ready, since once in combat the sect can no longer be changed.

[Cubsbane]

Had a healer unable to keep me alive in Hullbreaker Isle. Admittedly it was partially due to Final Sting, but also the fact that he was undergeared. Wasn't using a sect first pull, then switched to... Noct, then I suggested Diurnal, but that only delayed the inevitable. When asked about it he claimed it was because it's "not his main job". Uh... tomestones??? This isn't even my 10th job, dude, and I'm geared out just fine.

He left after 4 or 5 wipes (was trying 2 packs but even that was too much) and the replacement healer handled everything just fine.

I'm pretty sure they don't stack with each other. The tooltip on aspected benefic says "effect cannot be stacked" and after a quick search it sounds like most people are saying diurnal hots don't stack with each other. Am I missing something here?

Probably people confused because WHM regens can stack with eachother, and with those of other healers. But that's because AST has the option to switch and WHM doesn't... which makes me think that AST regens will definitely stack after 6.0.

[Rilifane]

My bad, I had CU in mind which does stack, but the rest doesn't.
Even if the rest outside Asp skills stacked, it probably wouldn't make a difference because that seems to be the skill people use first regardless of level range just like WHMs generally use Medica II first and then go with Asylum and everything else. So I suppose in DF it makes sense to never go double anything.
Time to go back to my Leylines.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Why is it bad etiquette, bad for higher level content or dumb?
All regens stack, normal/ alli raids and trials don't require shields in any form to survive anything, early prog savage is done with some communication (and probably with a [One Player per Job] lock) anyway. So I'd genuinly like to hear an answer that makes sense.
Because "Well... because! 2 ASTs automatically mean different Sects.. DUH! Unwritten rule!" doesn't make sense at all.

The regens might stack but shields do not. I know Diurnal stacks with other regens, like WHMs regen or medica but shields don't and im not sure if Diurnal regens stack on each other.

Also um. I forgot we were talking about the regen one and not shields. XD

My stance on etiquette still stands though. Why not benefit from both stances, especially if you're just both going to overwrite each other over and over? Its setting up bad behaviors with no explanation as to why they are bad. (Unless Diurnal regens stack now. Does someone know?)

[Dreamsoap]

As pointed out previously, it can happen inadvertently if both AST switch to the same sect and someone pulls before checking if everyone is ready, since once in combat the sect can no longer be changed.

At which point I would like to point out to new ASTs, picking Noct can save you this trouble 90% of the time, because a lot seem to shy away from it for whatever reason. If I give the other one the time to pick, they'll almost always take Diurnal.