Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Wolfsbane706]

So, today the unthinkable happened: a party I was in wiped in Sastasha.

It was me, a returner, in leveling roulette as THM with a GLD, a CNJ, and a PGL, all sprouts. I vould already tell the run was going to be a pain when the tank decided AOEs weren't for use except on single targets. Shortly before the first boss, I decided to speak up and mention that we'd clear faster if the tank used his AOE skill on groups. The tank's only response was to turn off his tank stance entirely only to turn it on and off again intermittently throughout the rest of the dungeon. I tried to address that as well, no response, no change. Sometime after the second boss, I tried to votekick the tank. It didn't take so we kept going, with no change in the tank's behavior. Finally, at the end, he bolts into the boss arena, ignoring the trio of mobs that are always guarding it, and gets us all killed because he can't be bothered to take their aggro off me. The tank is the only one who doesn't return to the dungeon entrance so I try the votekick again. This time it goes through and the tank is instantly replaced by a PLD who actually plays his role. The boss goes down in no time, just like it always does.

First time I've encountered a troll tank like that and I genuinely hope the experience is a one-off.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I have come back to add more stories:

1. Alliance Raid Roulette: Tower at Paradigm's Breach (Blech, again?)
   Rolled as a BRD; I ate tankbusters from every boss except first one, at least twice. I also rolled a 99 for Kaine Orchestrion Roll at the end. Worth it.
   
2. Lv80 Dungeon: Amaurot
   Rolled as a WAR, matched with a first timer SCH, SAM, and MCH. None of them knows the concept of AoE (Area of Effect) actions. Tethered by mobs? Just kite them around like headless chicken despite being told that they can just sit next to me to ensure they get drowned in (my own) AoEs. At least the SCH and SAM heeds this after first pull. The MCH stays in Narnia. Well whatever.
   
   First boss: MCH flat out died from the proximity comet AoE but did not wait for SCH's raise---they auto rez at entrance. Yeah sure, they probably misclick. This boss literally repeats their meteorfall mechanic 4 (FOUR) times. After the worm is a history, we moved on. The MCH however lagged behind which prompts the SCH to ask if they're alright. The SAM tells us that they're fixing their hotbar. Okay, now we know for sure these two are queueing together. That's fine... they're probably first timer, too. Still no AoE on wall pulls.... whatever... /shrug
   
   Reaching the pulls before 3rd boss, SCH disconnects in midpull. I managed a Holmgang but then I found out if the target's dead before the full duration expires, my invuln also disappears along with it. We wiped, then waited for the SCH to log back in.
   
   Or not
   
   The MCH scoot forward to dodge the laser from Therion, but ended up pulling the mob that had wiped us earlier. Seriously?
   
   Third boss: everybody follows me to avoid the Apokalypsis attack. MCH (again...) ran way too far ahead and fall off to the abyss. But again, they did not wait for SCH's res (I saw that Swiftcast is ready) and just spawn at beginning. At this point the SCH chats "Please let me res you." ; as I also typed out my slight frustration: "Why do you rez at entrance?". But of course, no response, at all. Therion breaks off all the safezone before we finally maul them down. The whole ordeal took 36m to clear. Apparently those two are NOT first timer; it's the SCH. My comm is yours, lady SCH.

I'm getting my food now...

[Meillquei]

It's me I was the bad one here

So I have zero confidence in my ability to heal. But I decided to give AST another try. Queue'd for Brayflox Longstop since that was the highest level dungeon I could do. Tank was good, DPS was good, everything was good. Got three commendations out of that run which made me feel really good. After the dungeon was over, I realized that I didn't put on my sect the entire time. For some reason it wasn't even on my hotbars. I felt really dumb after.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I do have to say: their tankbuster tastes like roasted depression. At least floor is my faithful companion, always.... /cries

Oof. I know how it feels, though.

Couple days ago in Tower, we had a tank who DC'd after the first boss... and never came back. I mentioned on the way to the adds before Red Girl, that we should probably roll on loot and kick them so we weren't eating TBs on the next boss. Unfortunately even after repeatedly asking, someone didn't roll on the loot so we couldn't kick and replace before Red Girl inevitably got pulled. As expected, most of the top aggro in the party ate a TB once. It bounced from the SAM (my dance partner), to the other SAM, to me, then the other SAM again, then my SAM.

Was painful, and didn't help that one of our healers was... not the greatest. Spent as much time on the floor as some of the TB'd dps did. Thankfully everyone rolled on loot after Red Girl, so we got a replacement before the continued TBs of Idol/Inflorescence. :|

[Cincierta]

Apparently taking myself into DR as a whm and popping deep profane +Lost chainspell + Lost Seraph gives people misconceptions about 'healer's heal'.

I queued up for my weekly gold coin for DR plus timeworn grind, I get a GNB WHM WHM WHM SAM NIN RDM BLM for the party setup. I waited for either of the other two whms to pop a profane, but neither of them did (they popped what looked like Ordained and Templar), so I thought 'ay, I can blast dps cuz Glare go brrrr' so I down a deep profane, get my LA set up, and thought this was going to be a smooth run.

Ah...haha...ahahahaha...no, it wasn't.

First boss one of the whm's dies and I don't notice it until a bit later, I pop a res on them. Some of the dps and tanks eat doom, well, not much I can do here. The other two whms get them up and I keep Glaring, 'cause killing it faster means less deaths.

I saw chains, stacks, and almost saw Seasons of Mercy twice. That's how long it took for the first boss to die. During this time the other whm decided this run was not worth it and disconnected. Ok, fine, I want my gold coins, but healing in profane is pretty bad. I realized something else was going on when the first trash set took longer than what I'm used to seeing die. Seeing people die to avoidable mechanics was probably an indicator of what was to come, but me being a glutton for punishment plus wanting my weekly coin, I trudged on, raising when I could. Sometimes I wish swiftcast wasn't a 60 second cooldown. Apparently before the second boss about a half group's worth of people had silently left the instance.

We get to the second boss and 90% the quartet flees before they start doing their mechanics. I still have my profane on and was desperately trying to keep up dps plus healing since I noticed my co-healer was also in on the 'Glare go brrr' mentality. I love dpsing healers, but when the bosses are taking much longer to die, I realized something was up.

The rest of the party should have known I was using my lilies to proc blood lily (glory to blood lily) and for how little it was healing for. We get to the ghost boy and one of the tanks thought it was a good idea to bring him to the other side of the room where the moving donut aoe was headed for. Some of the more unfortunate and not-paying attention dps were caught up in it and died to doom yet again. I get up whoever I could and kept trying to keep dpsing/healing for lily procs, though he too took a lot longer than what I'm used to seeing die.

We finally down it and get to the third boss, Trinity Avowed. This is where shit hit the fan. Apparently the dps were getting tired of us not purely healing/raising people who were eating avoidable mechanics (they never noticed I had profane on) and started calling us out for our shit. It was then I finally spoke up and said 'I have profane on.'

This kinda triggered the rest of the party to start shitting on both of us. People were STILL eating mechanics (I would see twice-come ruin on the sam and nin a lot, though props to the blm for staying alive as long as possible), and the rdm was complaining they shouldn't have had to spend all of their cure 4s and raise kits when there were two whms in the party. The other whm lost their shit and replied with 'then stop eating avoidable damage'.

For those not in the know, Deep Profane reduces your outgoing healing by 70% but increases your outgoing dps by 120%. Pair this with Lost Seraph and Lost Chainspell and you've got glare/lily going brrr. It's beautiful.

The party chat devolved rather quickly, and once Trinity was dead, the other whm left, leaving me to be the only healer left in the party. I sighed and popped my aetherweaver. I didn't have any other party buffs in my holster, so it was pretty much left to me to keep the party upright...unless they continually ate doom. Which was assured, as the SAM would be taking the time to type out responses along with the nin, causing them to eat death. The tank I'm guessing wasn't paying much attention.

But Jesus Christ people, you should at least look at people's buffs/essences before you start shitting on others. Mousing over them will tell you everything you need to know. I don't like it when people lump me in and start shitting on my healing when I HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT REDUCES MY HEALING OUTPUT. I F*CKING TRIED TO SAVE YOU EARLIER AND NOW THE RUN HAS TAKEN WELL OVER 50 MINUTES BECAUSE YOU CONSTANTLY WOULD EAT DOOM MECHANICS. I CANNOT CLEANSE YOUR DOOM. AND DO POP ESSENCES, THEY DO YOUR DPS OUTPUT ABSOLUTE WONDERS.

I was having a good morning until you guys decided to shit on my healing because of not noticing I had profane on. Thanks for making me feel like shit guys.

[BaconBits]

There comes a point where you gotta say enough is enough. If they want to keep spouting off at the mouth while dying to avoidable mechs and putting out a miserable amount of damage, then they can stay in the dirt for all I care.

[Cincierta]

There comes a point where you gotta say enough is enough. If they want to keep spouting off at the mouth while dying to avoidable mechs and putting out a miserable amount of damage, then they can stay in the dirt for all I care.

Granted I should have left the instance because the rest of the party was lumping me into the other whm's healing, but they should have said at the start that if they had no idea about the mechanics, they should have spoken up because of the amount of dooms they all ate. Especially on Avowed.

I can't force people to do mechanics correctly when I'm trying to do mine myself. I don't mind helping people and switching, but when people remain silent until there's almost no one left it just gets me. We didn't even get a new person notice either. People in the party were rank ~20 and up, not counting the whm that dc'ed at the start. Normally it would tell me they had some idea as to what they're doing from most of my parties so far, but I should keep in mind that not everyone knows what they're doing.

I could also tell I was doing the most healer dps because of how high my aggro was on the party HUD. I'd post chatlog screenshots, but it'll take me a while to edit them.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Granted I should have left the instance because the rest of the party was lumping me into the other whm's healing, but they should have said at the start that if they had no idea about the mechanics, they should have spoken up because of the amount of dooms they all ate. Especially on Avowed.

I can't force people to do mechanics correctly when I'm trying to do mine myself. I don't mind helping people and switching, but when people remain silent until there's almost no one left it just gets me. We didn't even get a new person notice either. People in the party were rank ~20 and up, not counting the whm that dc'ed at the start. Normally it would tell me they had some idea as to what they're doing from most of my parties so far, but I should keep in mind that not everyone knows what they're doing.

I could also tell I was doing the most healer dps because of how high my aggro was on the party HUD. I'd post chatlog screenshots, but it'll take me a while to edit them.

This makes me so glad I don't do any of that crap. It's cross class skill BS all over again. And I totally understand your argument to a degree but you joined as a healer. People will see that and assume you are going to heal, before looking at what essences you have. The essences themselves basically take the cooperative spirit out of the content. They are either used to cover one's own ass (world map) or to buff damage (everything else). Whoever has rez essences basically takes one for the team, damage wise and so many people just want to crank numbers instead of make sure the group clears. (Ug. Stormblood PTSD flashbacks.)

'Oh, well you can have healing essences so I can have damage essences and we can all do role swaps (everyone wants to dps) so good luck everyone.'

^ I feel like this is the 'essence' of Bozja. Glad the final form relics are hideous. I have no motivation to endure that huge crapfest. Kudos to anyone willing. It ain't me.

[Cincierta]

This makes me so glad I don't do any of that crap. It's cross class skill BS all over again. And I totally understand your argument to a degree but you joined as a healer. People will see that and assume you are going to heal, before looking at what essences you have. The essences themselves basically take the cooperative spirit out of the content. They are either used to cover one's own ass (world map) or to buff damage (everything else). Whoever has rez essences basically takes one for the team, damage wise and so many people just want to crank numbers instead of make sure the group clears. (Ug. Stormblood PTSD flashbacks.)

'Oh, well you can have healing essences so I can have damage essences and we can all do role swaps (everyone wants to dps) so good luck everyone.'

^ I feel like this is the 'essence' of Bozja. Glad the final form relics are hideous. I have no motivation to endure that huge crapfest. Kudos to anyone willing. It ain't me.

Only problem with DR is that if you fail the mechanics, you die. The doom does not get treated as a 'heal to full to avoid instant death', it's punishment for not dodging. SE made it harsh so that people pay attention and y'know, dodge. Plus even getting hit with one single avoidable mechanic lowers your damage significantly for one minute. If you're hit again with another avoidable mechanic while the debuff is still active, you're hit with a 3-second uncleanesable doom. If you refuse to dodge or are too slow, there's not much I can actually do for you other than dump another 2400 mp to get you back off the floor, only for you to immediately get hit again.

If I stop to res after Swiftcast/PoM/Chainspell is on cooldown, that's 8 seconds I have to stay put and pray to whichever member of the Twelve is out there that I don't get hit with a mechanic. Chainspell also increases mp cost.

If I was the only healer at the start, I would've popped Aetherweaver at the start, which has no penalties to healing. The other two in my party had healing buffs, and usually whm dps is very insane in DR.

[MrMagic]

Join Delebrum Reginae with no healers in my party. Not a problem. No one says anything so I pop Lost Cure II to keep myself up and continue on to the first boss. Fight starts and I observe that everyone else did the same and had self healing, all except this one DPS.

I was tempted to heal him but was feeling selfish because he kept getting hit with avoidable mechanics and dying. I knew if I started healing him he would come to expect it, might even get worse at dodging and I've only got so many uses.

He received heals periodically but he was almost always the first to hit the floor. I'm still at full health because I'm avoiding mechanics and so is the rest of the party. Other times he is raised and doesn't receive any heals before the next roomwide.

Cure II is oGCD and only takes up a weight of 5 in your holster. Don't be the one and only player who won't take responsibility for your own health when you see there is no healer. It's one thing to not want to heal the party but another to walk past the cache and expect others to heal you.