Toxicity and Community

[linayar]

You can find toxicity anywhere, in all areas of life.

However, the FFXIV community is special in that there is a widely held belief that it is 'better'. All this serves to do is cause the community to readily sweep incidents under the rug, or engage in victim blaming. If you do end up being the victim of Toxicity in FFXIV, it can feel really amplified because of this.

Victim blaming and sweeping under the rug are serious accusations to make when there are people within the community, both content creators and posters on the official forum and elsewhere, who are speaking out against the people disturbing Asmongold's play.

And one of the support for the community being better is that, when people are behaving badly, there is the ToS in place. So it presumes that there would be people behaving badly. So pointing out that bad people exist doesn't negate people's claims that FFXIV's community is better. It's also subjective as to what constitutes "better."

[LittleImp]

Victim blaming and sweeping under the rug are serious accusations to make when there are people within the community, both content creators and posters on the official forum and elsewhere, who are speaking out against the people disturbing Asmongold's play.

And one of the support for the community being better is that, when people are behaving badly, there is the ToS in place. So it presumes that there would be people behaving badly. So pointing out that bad people exist doesn't negate people's claims that FFXIV's community is better. It's also subjective as to what constitutes "better."

The Asmongold issue has been a bit of a turning point, and there are many more people speaking out than usual. It shouldn't take being a streamer with 200k viewers for people to take your harassment seriously.

But people have also been blaming Asmongolds own fans and tripping over themselves to justify why he deserves to be harassed in almost every single thread on this topic, be it here or on the subreddit. Twitter is even more insane, and private discords more insane still.

I watched my SO get stalked and harassed by some of the same twitter accounts now organizing against Asmongold. Every time I brought her story up, here or elsewhere, I was told it was probably her fault and that I was withholding details that would incriminate her. One user, who is still active on these boards and not a troll, even baselessly implied she must be racist without knowing literally any details of the situation outside of her being an artist lol.

People in the community go out of their way to try to maintain the illusion that the community is perfect, even at the direct expense of people with legitimate grievances. Hopefully this will become less of an issue as it's brought to light by the Asmon situation.

[linayar]

I was withholding details that would incriminate her.

Ok, I think you can understand that the difference is people can see Asmongold on stream.

Nonetheless, yes, I would say people who treat Asmongold differently than a non-streamer can be hypocritical. If there is a lack of detail, then it is better to be neutral rather than be accusing of anyone.

That said, I still wouldn't say that's the case for everyone, nor is it necessarily a case of maintaining an illusion. As said, SE's infamous(?) ToS is proof that they expect bad behaviors within the game. There is no illusion to maintain.

[strawberrycake]

Ok, I think you can understand that the difference is people can see Asmongold on stream.

Nonetheless, yes, I would say people who treat Asmongold differently than a non-streamer can be hypocritical. If there is a lack of detail, then it is better to be neutral rather than be accusing of anyone.

That said, I still wouldn't say that's the case for everyone, nor is it necessarily a case of maintaining an illusion. As said, SE's infamous(?) ToS is proof that they expect bad behaviors within the game. There is no illusion to maintain.

You're missing the point here it seems. It doesnt matter what the TOS says, People want to have the vanity of being good and positive and that they remove the bad actors is what they're saying. But if people see through their BS or know things about them, or simply called them out on how they're virtue signalling, said people will smear them and make them out to be racist, pedophiles, etc, all to silence them, and that in itself is rampant within FF. A friend of mine is being threatened with being doxxed if they dont leave the server they're on, but people have told them they're lying, many isue like this occur all through out the game.