FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Jirah]

Did he just say family friendly? This is a mmo from the most notorious rpg franchise of all time not bloody Club Penguin! also also lets make this clear as its wayy to misunderstood

Games aim to be broad not casual. Cutting off your balls to appeal to the lowest common denominator never works out. Next thing these people will say is FF14 is a kids game its supposed to be bad and cater to people with half a brain cell

[Seoulstar]

Did he just say family friendly? This is a mmo from the most notorious rpg franchise of all time not bloody Club Penguin! also also lets make this clear as its wayy to misunderstood

Games aim to be broad not casual. Cutting off your balls to appeal to the lowest common denominator never works out. Next thing these people will say is FF14 is a kids game its supposed to be bad and cater to people with half a brain cell

That is..quite the over reaction

[Silverrr]

Troll post or not, Ima jump in cause why not....

This is why I think the 'casual' community is more toxic than players that do hardcore content. Just because we do savage raids / ultimate's, we're instantly flagged as toxic and assholes. For the record, I've had some of the best and most helpful in-game experiences with progress-parties in PF for savage content, with people that are flagged as 'toxic'. Are there toxic and elitist players in hardcore content? Sure, but not everyone is toxic.

There's also a fundamental flaw in your point, expecting you to play the game the way it's supposed to is not "expecting hardcore-level gameplay" from you. Skills combo with each other in certain ways because the game is designed that way, and if you're not doing you're doing it wrong.

Are you free to go into content as a WHM and just heal, and never cast Glare/Dia/Assize? Of course, but you're only using half of the class. It's not about 'optimization', it's about using your entire kit. That's like playing chess, but you're only using the pawns, and refuse to use any other piece.

Why is it toxic that I want players to use their classes the way they're meant to, but it's not toxic when a player in my party decides to waste my time and make a run 10+ mins longer than it should be?

I agree with the fact that this game is mostly casual, but if you're free to play the game the most laidback way you possibly can, then others are free to call you out / kick you when you're dragging them down.

Your point about reaction times is completely off-topic too, this game isn't about reaction times, it's about knowing mechanics and getting used to fights.

If you think the casual community is more toxic than the raiding community (especially hardcore) you're either delusional or barely raided at all. I've done tiers with both party finder and multiple statics and nothing in casual content has come even close to the things i've seen in savage parties being said in multiple occasions

[korekera]

Cutting off your balls to appeal to the lowest common denominator never works out. Next thing these people will say is FF14 is a kids game its supposed to be bad and cater to people with half a brain cell

Wow, you sure made an excellent argument to not make this game casual.

[Neoyoshi]

I don't know; there is content under the surface-level of the game that really requires time-sinks and dedication that isn't for the casual player-base.

Like fishing for example.

Fishing is the true endgame, and can easily make the biggest eSport-ers weep, and I will die on this sea-side hill.

[Sighearth]

The thing is, I expect common sense and mediocrity at least. This is not a solo game, so I respect other people's time and expect the same from them.

[Ayuhra]

I don't know; there is content under the surface-level of the game that really requires time-sinks and dedication that isn't for the casual player-base.

Like fishing for example.

Fishing is the true endgame, and can easily make the biggest eSport-ers weep, and I will die on this sea-side hill.

You will catch all the fish. I believe in you.

[Alodos]

Well in my opinion part of the realy bad player do it intentionally just to complain about it and I hope the dev don't listen to them so they don't nerf the game even more. The msq and the dungeons teach you how to be "okay" in the game so it's the bare minimum to aim for. If you'r always carried through the content it's your problem but people have the right to say something about your gameplay.

I never respond to that kind of post but it realy annoy me, almost all type of game want you to get better so you can finish it so why not this one ? This is the point of video game, understand and become better with the game. Maybe it's not your type of game, it's okay but let the people who realy like it discusse about it so the dev can have real feedback.

[Ativan]

Instead, what we see on the forums is the loud minority that expects players to be playing this game several hours a day and expect pro players to be participating in what is supposed to be casual content like Bozja. Of course, you can't see how intimidating Castrum Lacus Litore or Red Comet is if you've put thousands of hours into this game already. But keep in mind this game is not made for hardcore hours or hardcore players. If you're expecting everyone to find Extreme level mechanics a cakewalk knowing that many players may have just returned to the game or only play a few hours a week you either have ridiculously high expectations or are not taking into account that players in this game are of different ages (and will maybe have worse reaction times), may be neuroatypical or have disabilities (and can therefore find certain specific mechanics overly hard).

If you're here to tell me just to "git gud", then I guess my point is completely lost on you.

Precisely. This game is full of ableism and the high-end community in this game is intolerant and elitist.

[Anhra]

FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

So what? That shouldn't be a excuse to dumb content down to a level where the game literally plays itself. The game teaches you how to do stuff and mechanics through levequests, Role Tutorials even holds your hand with the echo, countless pop-in messages that clearly indicate mechanics are about to happen and you got 80 levels to let those things sink in. Monsters and Enemies in both overworld and dungeons are literally begging to get killed since all they do is autoattack, small cone/line aoe when under 50% HP and thats it (oh and let us not forget those scary 5 damage poison ticks!). You actually need to put in some effort to actually get killed.

And whats worse, the in-combat HP regen is way too high for all Jobs. I would understand it if WAR at least had this kind of stuff (in form of a skill) because of the nature of the Job, but this stuff is way too overpowered otherwise.

I wouldn't be suprised if you could clear the entire MSQ with just 8 grand company chocobo's , thats how easy this game is.

Said Bird also has more customisation options than any of the Jobs, Lol.