Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

[StriderShinryu]

I'm not saying that none of this was particularly targetted at Asmongold, or that none if it was intended to legitimately harass him, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that this is the same sort of thing that happens with a lot of famous (or at least known) content creators when they stream their gameplay. There's always an embarrassing crowd of hangers on and gawkers who insist on following them around to every quest objective, using emotes "in camera," dancing around, sitting around on their mounts, etc. I'm guessing they somehow feel it will make them look or feel special by association. I'd imagine in Asmongold's case it was part harassment, yes, but also partly just this usual behaviour multiplied many times over.

[Rae88]

I'm not saying that none of this was particularly targetted at Asmongold, or that none if it was intended to legitimately harass him, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that this is the same sort of thing that happens with a lot of famous (or at least known) content creators when they stream their gameplay. There's always an embarrassing crowd of hangers on and gawkers who insist on following them around to every quest objective, using emotes "in camera," dancing around, sitting around on their mounts, etc. I'm guessing they somehow feel it will make them look or feel special by association. I'd imagine in Asmongold's case it was part harassment, yes, but also partly just this usual behaviour multiplied many times over.

It's also calmed down a lot since yesterday which is nice. Yesterday wasn't really a good showcasing of the community imo, to the point where game publications were picking up on it. But today is quite pleasant, and Asmon is really positive about the game which is a nice advertisement.

There's still people running around but they're being not as obstructive. Hopefully it dies out because Asmon wants to complete the entire game and do the hardest raids and if he can bring close to 100k viewers on Twitch all the time for his entire run that's so much good publicity for FFXIV

[Artemiz]

Humanity is toxic, there were england citizens at their football game taunting a 10 year old german girl because that girl was crying her team was losing than blaming germanys history of world war 2 in why they should lose / suffer. Also the person with the name report had the N word in their name the word black people call other black people.

To be fair to the England fans, and as an Englishman that's not something I say often, the fans laughing at the girl were watching in a pub, not the stadium, they didn't do it in her face or anything even though it is pathetic to have that reaction to a distraught child. As for giving the germans stick about WW2 that is pretty standard football crowd stuff. I wouldn't take kids to a football match personally, it gets much worse than that.

[NovaLevossida]

Asmongold, on the other hand, does share some responsibility for the actions of those in his community because he puts them up to a lot of the crap they do. In one of his highlight videos he posted last week, he encouraged his viewers to report a specific player in his party for name violation and you could see that player going offline almost immediately as the game kicked him from the server because of those reports.

That's supposed to be a reasonable and nice guy? Do you think those viewers just randomly and independently reported that player and not because he told him to do it?

The last thing anyone wants is for him to start up that sort of crap here. At least here he'll end up getting banned for doing it even if Blizzard turns a blind eye.

Did you see what the guy's name was? He was censor bypassing to use a racial slur for a name. Good on him for reporting. Good on him for using the resources available to him to get it taken care of quicker. If I hae to side between the streamer who used his audience to delete a racist or the guy with the racist name, it'll be the streamer every time.

By contrast, Asmon is getting swarmed in XIV (as he knew was going to happen) and all this game's GMs could do is ask him to literally reply back with every name of the people harassing him. And we'll never know how much overlap there is between people who only play one game or the other or both, if they're Asmon viewers or if they're Asmon haters (which we've seen a ridiculous amount of gatekeeping from our community even before he touched the game yesterday), or if they're just dummies wanting their 5 minutes of fame and not thinking about how they're ruining his enjoyment. We do know there were a ton of not-sprouts there with max levels, so unfortunately part of that is our community doing it. If he wasn't as chill as he was over the weekend, what would his takeaway have been? It wouldn't have been positive at all if he couldn't put up with it, especially so after the GMs didn't do a thing, and he has enough of a platform that his opinion would have merit and spread far and wide. So that's not a good look.

[Takamorisan]

I'm sorry if you're feeling unwelcome but the majority of the FFXIV community is no different from the majority of the WoW community - quiet, polite if they're interacting with you, mostly just wanting to relax and have fun playing a game. They're worth getting to know.

It doesn't mean we don't have that tiny percentage that is toxic just like WoW has. Sounds like you were unfortunate enough to run into a few of that tiny percentage.

What you list as your experience in 2 of the FCs you tried is no different from hundreds of stories that Preach has read on his Drama Time videos about the backstabbing and bickering that goes on in WoW guilds.

Then there are FCs like mine where about a third of the members are WoW veterans that lost interest in that game but found they enjoy FFXIV and have made friends with others who have never played WOW at all and don't care to.

It's got nothing to do with the game or the game's community. It has to do with the person. It is unfair to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals.

You throw out 5% of being the number of jerks in Asmongold's community. Well he's got almost 400k subscribers of one of his multiple YouTube channels alone. That would mean there are 20,000 jerks in his community.

Do you genuinely think there aren't at least 500 of those jerks who don't also happen to play FFXIV and jumped on the chance to show up for his stream yesterday?

Again, sorry you've had bad experience with a few isolated individuals who play FFXIV but they aren't reflective of the community nor is the community responsible for them.

Asmongold, on the other hand, does share some responsibility for the actions of those in his community because he puts them up to a lot of the crap they do. In one of his highlight videos he posted last week, he encouraged his viewers to report a specific player in his party for name violation and you could see that player going offline almost immediately as the game kicked him from the server because of those reports.

That's supposed to be a reasonable and nice guy? Do you think those viewers just randomly and independently reported that player and not because he told him to do it?

The last thing anyone wants is for him to start up that sort of crap here. At least here he'll end up getting banned for doing it even if Blizzard turns a blind eye.


Keep ignoring that it was also sections of the Asmongold community acting just as toxic, why don't you?

Are you really trying to defend someone that had a racist name and got reported for it?

[Naoki34]

Why exactly are we talking about him?

[Evergrey]

Why exactly are we talking about him?

We against Them mentallity.
The FF community have for a long time seen themselves as better than the WoW community and don't want them to come here and "corrupt" the FF community.

What people fail to see is that FF's community can be just as toxic when the right buttons are pressed.
WoW's community is just more open with it instead of trying to hide it.

[lezard21]

Why exactly are we talking about him?

He is an important person and when you are important people talk about you.

[Tornadium]

As a WoW Refugee (2004-2021) having started playing a few weeks back I have to say I'm really enjoying the change of pace. I was excited when Asmongold announced he was going to stream because I think for a lot of WoW Players who are getting tired of the relentless grind and min-maxing culture could really enjoy the switch.

The WoW community is hands down far more "in your face toxic", No question. I have had very positive interactions in FFXIV thus far, I'm enjoying running duties as a tank and everyone I've encountered for the most part has been incredibly friendly. That being said I've been reading the forums for the last day or so after some experiences in-game and I felt compelled to express what I have encountered and a very different kind of toxicity in the FFXIV community. Obviously this is only my personal experience and it is not representative of the entire community, However I am seeing a worrying trend in public or private community interactions which strongly urge a player to "conform" or end up a social outcast on their particular shard.

When I say conform, I feel I should clarify that I'm not talking about anything to do with gameplay. I'm referring specifically to ways of thinking or "standards" which in my view are very extreme and are in some cases I've witnessed being very forcefully thrown at people who are told if they don't get on board they should leave. If what was being expressed was just things like basic human decency and pleasantness I wouldn't really be concerned but it's not, It's very specific world views or beliefs that give me a very nervous feeling going forward.

I hope my impression thus far has just been the exception to the rule because outside of these occurrences I am really enjoying the game and I can't wait to get into the expansion content (I've only just completed the AAR Questline).

[Colt47]

My two cents: Don't care what his reputation or fanbase is: he has the same rights as the rest of us here and if someone harasses him they should get a warning at the least. It stinks that because of his fame that there's no way to stop it from happening on the get go, but it's still possible to deal with it in retrospect.