Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

[Eisi]

No but the cost of being a well-known player, streamer or celebrity is that infringement on your privacy or even enjoyment, unfortunately.

If the cost of enforcing ToS becomes too high to do it, they effectively do not apply.

[Kaurhz]

If the cost of enforcing ToS becomes too high to do it, it effectively does not apply.

It's mainly about how much preparation you need to do both beforehand, and during the situation that makes it difficult. You don't just report the situation, wave a magic wand then everything is pixies and rainbows. Things take time to resolve.

He said he knew it would happen. And that it happens on every game he tries.
People often forget he has few million followers and people can play more games than just one. So it's just a common sense to think that he has thousands of FFXIV players fanboying him and some of those are the ones doing the shitty behavior

Happens on any game that any popular streamer or celebrity tries, yes. This didn't even surprise me one bit in many regards. Why I was also adamant on the other thread as to just 'let him play the game and enjoy it'

[Eisi]

It's mainly about how much preparation you need to do both beforehand, and during the situation that makes it difficult. You don't just report the situation, wave a magic wand then everything is pixies and rainbows. Things take time to resolve.

I guess we'll never know if things are actually resolved. And preparation is likely not deemed worth it. I expect more of the same in the future.

[Kaurhz]

I guess we'll never know if things are actually resolved. And preparation is likely not deemed worth it. I expect more of the same in the future.

Who knows. Again, can't just wave a magic wand and solve the issue. Sadly 'celebrities' don't get to pick and choose when their status does or doesn't apply to them. The community or fanbase sadly does that for them. It's not really a situation that will be solved by simply ban waving people, warning people, or suspending them. They'll warn them all, so what? 200 different people will only carry out the same endeavor the following day, and then suddenly the effort that GM went through to try and solve the issue was suddenly fruitless. If you ask me, the situation really goes beyond what a GM would be reasonably capable of dealing with, without it being an incredibly tedious or inefficient process. Situations like these require going beyond just enforcing the ToS, and more in making arrangements.

[Eisi]

Who knows. Again, can't just wave a magic wand and solve the issue.

I did not want to ever imply that. Because yeah, it is the second time you said it.

Sadly 'celebrities' don't get to pick and choose when their status does or doesn't apply to them. The community or fanbase sadly does that for them. It's not really a situation that will be solved by simply ban waving people, warning people, or suspending them. They'll warn them all, so what? 200 different people will only carry out the same endeavor the following day, and then suddenly the effort that GM went through to try and solve the issue was suddenly fruitless.

Yeah, exactly! Too much cost to enforce ToS. We agree 100%.

If you ask me, the situation really goes beyond what a GM would be reasonably capable of dealing with, without it being an incredibly tedious or inefficient process. Situations like these require going beyond just enforcing the ToS, and more in making arrangements.

Do you have an idea of what such an arrangement might look like?

[Kaurhz]

I did not want to ever imply that. Because yeah, it is the second time you said it.



Yeah, exactly! Too much cost to enforce ToS. We agree 100%.



Do you have an idea of what such an arrangement might look like?

Too much cost, and it's just not something you solve through enforcing the terms of service. You'd be infinitely warning people until the hype dies.

I don't know, perhaps sizeable instances of each ARR zone, to name but one obvious one. It doesn't solve the issue outright, but it makes it manageable on the streamer. A lot of this could have been avoidable or manageable had Asmongold went through the caution of not announcing his server/DC, or at the very least blocking the screen and doing all the preliminary setup, in addition to creating a delay. It wouldn't eliminate it entirely because I hazard to guess people will just stalk until they find. But it would have at least given him some respite to start the story without congestion errors on the first quest.

[Eisi]

Is there anything to the argument that the zones could have been instanced if Asmon had only answered to the auto-reply? I read that GMs had actually proposed that but I have no idea if that's actually true or not.

[Eisi]

It's mainly about how much preparation you need to do both beforehand, and during the situation that makes it difficult. You don't just report the situation, wave a magic wand then everything is pixies and rainbows. Things take time to resolve.

Yippie! I'm so glad you were right

I did not expect much to happen. This is a good look.