Open World PvP

[TheMightyMollusk]

Back during Mists of Pandaria on WoW, my guild transferred to a PVP server. It was the most miserable experience I ever had in the game (and for comparison, I was there for the launch of Warlords of Draenor). Griefers everywhere, people camping corpses and respawn points just to be jerks, high level players hunting lowbies for basically no reason. It sucked.

So no, I would not be interested in open world PvP. Maybe if they made it a dedicated server so I could just never, ever go there, but....no. Not for me.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Greetings fellow forum posters. I post this thread today in order to promote and spur discussion on open world pvp in 14. I know this might be a bit of a hot take around these parts, but I believe it would improve the game immensely. Primarily in the social grouping aspect as it would encourage partying when questing more due to safety in numbers. Furthermore, it could be used as a way to settle disputes between players. In short, might would make right. It would also be a good way for players that have issues with certain pfs a way to take care of those without swamping an overworked GM with reports. Thoughts?

I... take it you haven't been playing FFXIV long? Because PvP used to be a very different animal. We had dueling, which was baked right into the character UI, where you could request a duel by basically inspecting a person. You would instantly be transported to the dueling arena (Wolves Den). You could also set up for people to spectate. We only used it for laughs (get party of friends to build up Limit gauge with the dummies then one-shot your unsuspecting dueling partner. Good times).

Back in the days of Heavensward, PvP didnt have special actions beyond certain ones the area gave you. Your regular actions just behaved slightly different, but you didnt have a special action bar like you do now. Pvp is heavily homogenized because.. well, I assume complaints and the effort to keep it from sliding into a cesspool of endless butthurt. Open world PvP has no place in FF14. Now, if they add it as separate content then perhaps, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. The risk of trolls waiting by spawn points is high and honestly I don't see anyone putting up with that. It'll be abandoned faster than Diadem/Eureka.

In short: no please.

[Krotoan]

Greetings fellow forum posters. I post this thread today in order to promote and spur discussion on open world pvp in 14. I know this might be a bit of a hot take around these parts, but I believe it would improve the game immensely. Primarily in the social grouping aspect as it would encourage partying when questing more due to safety in numbers. Furthermore, it could be used as a way to settle disputes between players. In short, might would make right. It would also be a good way for players that have issues with certain pfs a way to take care of those without swamping an overworked GM with reports. Thoughts?

Lets go through this.. it would force you to group up to progress or risk being griefed..

You think having better gear or higher level makes you "right"..

Having the ability to just walk in and kill people doing things you don't agree with is how you'd like to solve your problem.



What part of this is "Improving the game immensely" for anyone except griefers?


To be fair at least you're morally consistent in your posts. But this is just all kinds of not what FFXIV has been about for 10 years.

God please let me have the chance to ambush some poor sap running around the overworld and slap them with stuns, binds and interrupts. I would not hesitate to become the most obnoxious PvPer if open world PvP existed.

Oh look.. exactly why we shouldn't do this. Thank you for writing it out.

[Caurcas]

Lets go through this.. it would force you to group up to progress or risk being griefed..

You think having better gear or higher level makes you "right"..

Having the ability to just walk in and kill people doing things you don't agree with is how you'd like to solve your problem.



What part of this is "Improving the game immensely" for anyone except griefers?

If you truly believe in your argument then have the force to back it up. Furthermore, yes it would improve player relations immensely and really build a sense of community or risk being a target because of your actions. All that being said, as I mentioned in a previous post, I would be fine with some restrictions.

[MilkieTea]

Yeah and. There’s multiple antagonists who suffer from ptsd or worse and we kill them, but for some reason it’s different when it’s us? Yeah sorry no. Mental illness doesn’t excuse that. Always using it as a scapegoat. Anyways though it just proves my point. WoL isn’t good. So there’s no reason it wouldn’t make sense lore-wise for us to be bandits or the like. Just blame it on mental illness

Reread what I said

[Theodric]

I think that a lot of the opposition is coming from players who rarely, if ever, engage in PvP in the first place.

PvP in FFXIV is very much a mixed bag, but I have done a lot of it because no match is ever the same. Something refreshing in an otherwise very predictable game.

There's a lot of ways in which open world PvP could become a thing in a way that didn't step on anybody's toes. For starters, it could be limited to a specific zone or server type. Secondly, it could be made with opting in and opting out in mind. That way it is entirely consensual.

[Krotoan]

If you truly believe in your argument then have the force to back it up.

There is no reason that being able to beat someone in a video game makes you "right" unless the argument is over say "which build of paladin is better for PVP".

Furthermore, yes it would improve player relations immensely and really build a sense of community or risk being a target because of your actions.

So we should have people acquiescing to player enforced standards. Fearing mob griefing if they don't play the game how other people want?

All that being said, as I mentioned in a previous post, I would be fine with some restrictions.

Any restriction I would want implemented would remove all your reasons for having it.

[Caurcas]

There is no reason that being able to beat someone in a video game makes you "right" unless the argument is over say "which build of paladin is better for PVP".



So we should have people acquiescing to player enforced standards. Fearing mob griefing if they don't play the game how other people want?

Hey, it certainly makes people more polite with fear of reprisal from being discourteous.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Hey, it certainly makes people more polite with fear of reprisal from being discourteous.

You mean like... the ToS enforcement?

I'm only ok with this if they make it one server. And then you can all congregate there.

[Caurcas]

You mean like... the ToS enforcement?

I'm only ok with this if they make it one server. And then you can all congregate there.

I would be too, then we can finally have a server free of pf filth.