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  1. #31
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    Artemiz's Avatar
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sighearth View Post
    That's not my point. Getting gear EARLY is not a reward because at the end everyone will have the same reward which is the gear. My point is, getting the clear in a specific time frame should be rewarded which currently is not. What is rewarded with gear is just clearing, be week 1 or week 56.
    You want a special reward for doing it in the first week, the problem is nobody else is impressed or even cares. What people do care about is if a game they enjoy uses predatory and insidious tactics like foma. Rewards with a acquisition period of only one week are 100% foma and very few people want that nonsense in the game.
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  2. #32
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    Sighearth's Avatar
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    Axel Walker
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir View Post
    Anyone that cares about clearing early is already clearing early. Extra rewards for doing so is irrelevant, neither is it going to convince any significant amount of people to try raiding earlier that weren't already. Feast has shiny time-exclusive rewards; yet season after season its generally the same similar faces on the leaderboard. Besides, you get the benefits of being done & bis with the tier way faster than others who might have to spend months progging the fights whereas you get all that extra free time. You also get the benefit of knowing you didn't need gear to clear the fight, where a giant amount of the raiding base needs said gear in order to clear the dps checks.

    Besides, with its current difficulty savage shouldn't be getting any time exclusive rewards; even week 1 ain't hard enough to warrant it (Perhaps Shiva being the sole exception). If any fights should get early clear rewards, it should be ultimates only.

    If you want an actual tangible early reward you can flex, go clear an Ultimate <2-3 weeks after its released. then you can have a nice title & weapon to afk in Limsa with for a few months.
    You made a good point, maybe the extra reward is indeed not needed for the demographic that attempts it. I do agree ultimates having early rewards would also be very nice. I didnt talk about ultimates early rewards because I think that would be too restrict to actually make any difference ( a lot of players get week 1 savage and just a few get an early ult clear). I'm all for it thou (even if I dont get it). Now, about the reward, if its just an achievement (not even with title) I can't see the downside of it being added. Even if it will not attract that many more people, its a nice little thing to have and wont hurt anyone.
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  3. #33
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    Sighearth's Avatar
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    Axel Walker
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    You want a special reward for doing it in the first week, the problem is nobody else is impressed or even cares. What people do care about is if a game they enjoy uses predatory and insidious tactics like foma. Rewards with a acquisition period of only one week are 100% foma and very few people want that nonsense in the game.
    You said it yourself, if nobody is impressed or cares, what is the problem of adding it? I'm not asking for a glorious super luxury mount with fireworks, can be just an achievement without title. How that is gonna trigger foma out of people? I'm against it to be something super iconic or something that the majority of people will care and will fear of missing out.
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  4. #34
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sighearth View Post
    You said it yourself, if nobody is impressed or cares, what is the problem of adding it? I'm not asking for a glorious super luxury mount with fireworks, can be just an achievement without title. How that is gonna trigger foma out of people? I'm against it to be something super iconic or something that the majority of people will care and will fear of missing out.
    And you said yourself you find it really fun to work and achieve that first week clear. Ultimately, thats your reward. In game trinkets and titles are worthless if you aren't having fun, and you already set out how much you enjoy it. Im glad you're having fun honestly but when you come asking for an extra pat on the back, for enjoying the game the way you want to anyway, well it turns people off.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sighearth View Post
    What I would like to see is that extra amount of effort to be rewarded, which makes that extra effort not irrelevant.
    The extra effort is not irrelevant or no one would put in the effort as is. It is, however, irrelevant as an excuse to ask for additional rewards beyond the satisfaction of clearing the content faster.
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  6. #36
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I think people push themselves to an unhealthy extent just trying to get week one clears as things currently are.

    I don't think we need an extra carrot on a stick to encourage them further.
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  7. #37
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    Alaray's Avatar
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    Vevri Arctyria
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    People challenge the tier outside of week 1 in week 1 gear and blind to simulate the process, which would be essentially identical. So it doesn't really feel congruent, to me, to reward people who did it within a specific week vs. those who did the same in a different week with a like-minded group of players. Since the accomplishment isn't unique at that point, and can be continuously achieved, it doesn't need a time-limited achievement. Maybe an achievement tied to doing it in the minimum ilvl requirement gear, in general, to showcase that you beat the tier at it's strongest for the duration of that content's life cycle.

    I'd say give a title to the people who manage world first, and perhaps a title or something to people who complete first on their servers. But that'd be about the extent of where I think a reward like that ought to go. The only other thing I'd also add is a title for clearing the content while it's relevant, like Warcraft does with Ahead of the Curve (at least I believe that's the achievement linked to receiving a title for completing a heroic tier within the lifespan of that piece of content).
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    Last edited by Alaray; 06-30-2021 at 04:01 PM.

  8. #38
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    I want a medal when I am first to write "First" on a YouTube video comment section.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

  9. #39
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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Instead of rewards for an early clear, how about adding a challenge mode to it that gives rewards. Finish the savage fight with no HUD, in first person view. Entire party needs to do it. You can't use any 3rd party tools either, that includes voice chat.

    Each player must record it and submit an unedited video to the dev team so they can confirm it. Oh, and it has to be done in week 1. No practice time. Anyone who could do that would be worth rewarding.

    Just for clearing it fast normally? No extras should be given. You already got your prizes.
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  10. #40
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
    World
    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I'd rather see the resources spent giving us better rewards in general across the game. I wouldn't mind seeing some healer mount achievements or something, for example.
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