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  1. #71
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    ElciaDeiLinus's Avatar
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    Elcia Deilinus
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    Why? They're one of the easiest sources of a good chunk of xp, tomes, and are often on wondrous tails too and for mog events are very generous. They're the most 'turn off your brain and chill' thing in the game.

    Without cutscenes they clearly wouldn't be so rewarding, and that'd cause new players to miss out on some of the most iconic storyline in ARR.

    I genuinely don't understand why anyone complains about this still. There's so many ways to get your xp/tomes that you could choose to never do MSQ again and be perfectly fine- so why not just not do it?
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  2. #72
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    People complain because they want the rewards without having to put in the time, not caring that all that time is why they get those rewards.
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  3. #73
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    A while back I'd agree, but with the influx of new players I think it's a bit necessary to not allow people to skip.
    I've already seen people complain that we're too fast and that we need to wait because they fall behind, it does leave a very bad impression I think.

    In the end of the day I just skip the MSQ roulette and I only use it if I need the exp and afk in the cutscenes or if I need the poetics fast ( like I did for my ARR relic for example ).
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  4. #74
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    Nethereal's Avatar
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    People complain because they want the rewards without having to put in the time, not caring that all that time is why they get those rewards.
    Eh I'm getting msq roulette in mentor roulette, I'm not doing it for the rewards as I'm playing on a level 80 class with presumable max tomes.

    A lot of people are complaining because msq roulette is simply done badly. A dungeon with 30 minutes of cutscenes simply should never exist in any game.
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  5. #75
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    Darwinian Origin
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Eh I'm getting msq roulette in mentor roulette, I'm not doing it for the rewards as I'm playing on a level 80 class with presumable max tomes.

    A lot of people are complaining because msq roulette is simply done badly. A dungeon with 30 minutes of cutscenes simply should never exist in any game.
    Isn't the mentor roulette there to help sprouts? Is it even possible to get a run with no sprouts in that roulette? And yeah, its a design flaw, everyone knew this before 2.1 hit never mind now.


    The strangest argument I see in this thread is to make it a solo duty. Its not first timers moaning about it, its players who have already cleared it moaning yet nobody is forcing you to do it. You're doing it for the rewards, those rewards are there for a reason. Even if no first timers happen to be on your run the fact that it gets run so many times a day helps when people do need it. If the CS's annoy you so much, dont run it.
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  6. #76
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    Felien's Avatar
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    Felien Eurelt
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Eh I'm getting msq roulette in mentor roulette, I'm not doing it for the rewards as I'm playing on a level 80 class with presumable max tomes.

    A lot of people are complaining because msq roulette is simply done badly. A dungeon with 30 minutes of cutscenes simply should never exist in any game.
    You do mentor roullet for achievement, so you kinda do it for the reward. But i prefer do this MSQ than a Ex fight or a Savage fight with ppl that dodn't even remamber the normal mode.
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  7. #77
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    Isn't the mentor roulette there to help sprouts? Is it even possible to get a run with no sprouts in that roulette? And yeah, its a design flaw, everyone knew this before 2.1 hit never mind now.


    The strangest argument I see in this thread is to make it a solo duty. Its not first timers moaning about it, its players who have already cleared it moaning yet nobody is forcing you to do it. You're doing it for the rewards, those rewards are there for a reason. Even if no first timers happen to be on your run the fact that it gets run so many times a day helps when people do need it. If the CS's annoy you so much, dont run it.
    I haven't kept track but I'm pretty sure you can get no sprout runs since mentor roulette is actually "You queue for everything" roulette it doesn't try to put you with parties that have sprouts/returners as far as I know.

    Yeah I specifically refuse to use msq roulette for leveling purposes, I used to use it for tomes and relic steps but now I just don't do it and if I get it in mentor roulette? Nah fam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felien View Post
    You do mentor roullet for achievement, so you kinda do it for the reward. But i prefer do this MSQ than a Ex fight or a Savage fight with ppl that dodn't even remamber the normal mode.
    I just do it because I'm bored just like how I do practice parties or mount farms. So you shouldn't really use absolutes like this.
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    Last edited by Nethereal; 06-29-2021 at 02:43 PM.

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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  8. #78
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    Osteichthyes's Avatar
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    Ashley Osteichthyes
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    Ravana
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    Honestly, the whole of ARR needs a rework. Give it the attention that it needed without having to worry about patching the disaster that was 1.0. That's the single biggest criticism, the early game is rough.
    Take the lessons they have learned from the later expansions, and some of the resources that hopefully SE will be giving them and truly update the ARR experience to better reflect the rest of the game.

    Additionally I do think that the ilvl needs to be sync'd more to give battles real threat. Game spends so long hyping up Rhit, then it's a literal meme.

    I just really hope that SE gives the dev team the resources that it needs to be able to rework the early experience.
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    When you have lag, every action is an adventure.

  9. #79
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    ZedxKayn's Avatar
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    Capybara Friend
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus View Post
    Why? They're one of the easiest sources of a good chunk of xp, tomes, and are often on wondrous tails too and for mog events are very generous. They're the most 'turn off your brain and chill' thing in the game.
    Personally I don't play a video game to turn my brain off and chill, quite the opposite, I want stimulus, which MSQ roulette clearly doesn't offer.

    Them having so many good rewards tied to them is why people do them, and why they complain about it, efficiency doesn't mean fun and with how time consuming a MMO can be, not uncommon for people to pick something time-efficient.
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  10. #80
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Osteichthyes View Post
    Honestly, the whole of ARR needs a rework. Give it the attention that it needed without having to worry about patching the disaster that was 1.0. That's the single biggest criticism, the early game is rough.
    Take the lessons they have learned from the later expansions, and some of the resources that hopefully SE will be giving them and truly update the ARR experience to better reflect the rest of the game.

    Additionally I do think that the ilvl needs to be sync'd more to give battles real threat. Game spends so long hyping up Rhit, then it's a literal meme.

    I just really hope that SE gives the dev team the resources that it needs to be able to rework the early experience.
    Yeah I wouldn't actually mind msq roulette if there was any semblance of difficulty. Instead it's 80% cutscenes, 15% walking, 5% power of will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someone
    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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