Apartments need Rent

[Almagnus1]

You have proven hands down you have no clue how much gil a player can make in just a day alone.

No, I work with the assumption that the amount of gil I make in a given week may not be representative of the average player, so it's best not to make that assumption.

[Nepentha]

Kinda amusing how everyone highlights those... but completely skip the first part (which implies the rest)...

Here let me bold that for you:



Amazing how a bunch of disingenuous posters keep taking that quote out of context solely to smear me over something that's ancient and aimed SPECIFICALLY at addressing the house flipping market because of all the bad RMT stuff it was driving at the time with prices that were 4-5x the SE sticker price... if not higher.

It hasn't though? Your idea did nothing. The flippers and resellers are still at it. I just saw one flip a small FC /w house on Balmung for 150 million gil. I've seen flippers sell housing plots as relocations as RMT. Your idea not only failed miserably, but it's made housing even worse for the average player.

So, yeah, this whole rent for apartments thing, not a good idea.

[Almagnus1]

It hasn't though? Your idea did nothing. The flippers and resellers are still at it. I just saw one flip a small FC /w house on Balmung for 150 million gil. I've seen flippers sell housing plots as relocations as RMT. Your idea not only failed miserably, but it's made housing even worse for the average player.

SE has never credited me with anything, so as far as I can tell, my idea never made it into the game and SE did their own thing. Please show me proof that SE actually took and implemented my idea and it's not just a random coincidence.

[MilkieTea]

Kinda amusing how everyone highlights those... but completely skip the first part (which implies the rest)...

Here let me bold that for you:



Amazing how a bunch of disingenuous posters keep taking that quote out of context solely to smear me over something that's ancient and aimed SPECIFICALLY at addressing the house flipping market because of all the bad RMT stuff it was driving at the time with prices that were 4-5x the SE sticker price... if not higher.

Why would it be smearing you? Simply provided the source for their claim. If that's smearing you then, well... stop quoting everything I've written thus far. Like, everything.

[Almagnus1]

Why would it be smearing you? Simply provided the source for their claim. If that's smearing you then, well... stop quoting everything I've written thus far. Like, everything.

Because it's A) taking a four year old post and treating it like it's somehow still relevant and B) taking a post that's of the form if(x) then(y) and ripping the context away from the y and proceeding to beat someone over the head with half a thought. If you're going to go low and pull from a different thread, at least be honest about it and pull in the entire post.

[MilkieTea]

Because it's A) taking a four year old post and treating it like it's somehow still relevant and B) taking a post that's of the form if(x) then(y) and ripping the context away from the y and proceeding to beat someone over the head with half a thought. If you're going to go low and pull from a different thread, at least be honest about it and pull in the entire post.

They asked for a source, and it was provided with a post that links DIRECTLY to the source. You're being pretty disingenuous here.

[Nepentha]

SE has never credited me with anything, so as far as I can tell, my idea never made it into the game and SE did their own thing. Please show me proof that SE actually took and implemented my idea and it's not just a random coincidence.

So you admit the idea was a bad one then?

[Jojoya]

I have been doing the coffee biscuit leve. That leve just craps gil on you and all you need to do is spend a couple hours gathering and crafting to make a couple hundred gil. Do every day and you easily make 1mil+ a week.

A week's worth of leve allowances for Coffee Biscuits is about 750k (6 leves per day * 7 days * about 18k per leve).

But it's easy to fall into the mistake of thinking that just because you play a certain way that everyone else is playing that way or wants to, or that others can play the same number of hours a week that you do. Someone who can only play 4-5 hours a week isn't going to want to spend half of it gathering and crafting for Coffee Biscuit leves, or any other activity solely for the purpose of making gil. They're going to want to spend it on MSQ or other things relevant to their character's progression.

Yes, there are a lot of rich players out there because they've got extra time on their hands to spend doing things like making Coffee Biscuits. There are also a lot of "poor" players who don't have the time to farm gil. They can still make a couple of hundred thousand a week off their usual routine but that's about it unless they get really lucky with a quick venture return or rare instance drop.

Amazing how a bunch of disingenuous posters keep taking that quote out of context solely to smear me over something that's ancient and aimed SPECIFICALLY at addressing the house flipping market because of all the bad RMT stuff it was driving at the time with prices that were 4-5x the SE sticker price... if not higher.

Not all of them are being disingenuous. Most weren't around back when it was an issue to know what it was like. They only know what things are like now.\

It hasn't though? Your idea did nothing. The flippers and resellers are still at it. I just saw one flip a small FC /w house on Balmung for 150 million gil. I've seen flippers sell housing plots as relocations as RMT. Your idea not only failed miserably, but it's made housing even worse for the average player.

Did the timer completely stopped flipping? No, but it is far, far less than what had been going on. A player now has a chance to buy a house direct from the game at the intended prices instead of going through a flipper for several times the price set by SE. That wasn't true on the NA worlds for all of 4.0 and 4.1. If you wanted to buy a house then, it was pay the flipper price or go without.

[Nepentha]

Did the timer completely stopped flipping? No, but it is far, far less than what had been going on. A player now has a chance to buy a house direct from the game at the intended prices instead of going through a flipper for several times the price set by SE. That wasn't true on the NA worlds for all of 4.0 and 4.1. If you wanted to buy a house then, it was pay the flipper price or go without.

Oh I agree that things were pretty bad back then, and SE definitely needed to do something. This just wasn't it. What we have now is a bot developer making a killing selling a bot he developed to players who are desperate but don't want to sit for hours at a placard clicking. We have people using that bot (or others) to click their way to a plot, and then flip it on the market for anywhere from 40 to 150 million. And there's a pair of alts from a most infamous botter on one server that ward scan faster than any human realistically could, relocate to mediums and larges that demo (usually before anyone else even knows they are there) and then sells them as relocations by hopping to a new, open, small plot.

So really, it's not much better at all than what it used to be. Flippers and resellers just adapted, their operations continue unabated and players are still willing to pay their outrageous prices just to finally have a house of their own.

That said, SE could kill all of this by simply releasing more wards. Not just the 2 or 3 they tend to release at a time, but just drop something large like... 100 on us finally. It'll take some time to fill up, and it won't kill the market entirely, people will still have desired plots they want that will undoubtedly sell out faster than others. But at least this desperation I'm witnessing will stop, and the maker of the bot software's business will dry up. (Bonus: They add in two more subdivisions, too. Man a person can dream right?)

But, something something-- hardware-- something. Ok, not a feasible option probably. So let's go with something SE could use as a bandaid at least to staunch the bleed from botters and flippers.

Continued in the next post because I am wordy and went over the 3000 character limit.

[Nepentha]

1. 45 day relocation timer. Which starts the second you relocate the house somewhere. Personal and FC houses both are subject to this. It may not stop the relocator sellers, but it definitely hampers them having to wait 45 days to be able to relocate to another plot. In the meanwhile, mediums and larges that demo are open to other people. It also makes people stop and think before they relocate somewhere. Is that plot *really* the one you want in your heart of hearts? No? Then probably best to stay where you are for now.

2. FC master cannot be handed down to anyone who hasn't been in the FC for at least 30 days. This puts the kabosh on people botting their way to a small plot with the intent to flip it right away to someone willing to purchase the FC with house attached. From what I've seen, these sellers count on a quick sale. Having to have the buyer in the FC for 30 days (and being unable to hand off their FC to an alt to sit on right away) may not kill the industry but it'll make it much harder to the point some will find the effort no longer worth the reward.

3. Lower the damn placard timer. 24 hours is ridiculous. I'd go with 6 to 8 hours at the most, 6 being preferable.