About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Garten]

Rng on top of other Rng as others said. I am not doing Savage, Just farming my relic. Other people has said the same things but got ignored.. Guess It Is easyer ganging on Goji. Just Do a pf if you Wanna a 100% Essence run, no?
Personally i'll use em when i have em, but not gonna farm more. I've Also seen a lot of different "run setups" (with a lot of ppl, or few ppl using essences) never noticed much difference -_- ... Maybe how much.. 5-8 mins? Wow.. gonna change my Life..
Fun how ppl Say "if you dont have 5 mins to farm you have problems with your Life" but litterally go Crazy if a run of wathever content take a few mins more than usual, do you have a train to catch?
"BuT.. but... not using essences Is disrespectful".. lol, do you even live in the real world?
Guess you lived a great Life if "this" Is something disrespectful for you.

[AikenDrum]

the logic "10 min farm = -1 min off clear time so it's 9 min wasted" only works if you're a freeloader, because it's not just -1min off clear your time, it's -1 min off clear time for everyone in the raid; and if you consider, say, maybe thinking about cooperation in an online game where you play with other people to achieve same goal, that is a 14 min positive net gain for the group
what's more, the way farming works if you group up for farming aswell that 10min for farming one essense actually becomes <1min, making it a net positive even if you're not into teamplay

i mean, if you farm say potd you contributing your time to help other 3 ppl isnt gonna speed up the run that much, and since it's clearable solo best way is to /follow someone? i guess the difference is in potd those 3 other people would probably just quit so you'll get nothing

[Kaurhz]

Not really, unless you are Main Tank or the designated healer of your party, Tanks and Healers can contribute a lot to speeding up DR. They can deal insane amounts of damage with the proper setup, which can be more grindy/expensive to get than DPS setups (bar Excellence setups)

Warrior with Deep Irregular + Blood Rage + Inner Release + Slash is among the most hilarious memetic nonsense I've seen.

WHM with Deep Profane + Seraph Strike + Chainspell + Thin Air + Presence of Mind is just naughty.

And I'm sure there are other more broken combos that people have figured out.

If we are talking in the realm of screeching out as much DPS as humanly possible with little regard for time or Gil invested and for memes then quite obviously. But in the case of DR normal mode, on the average run, we're talking about grinding a couple of Skill fragments from a bunch of rank 1 mobs right outside the sanctuary in Southern Front to gain an 80% damage increase for healers, and 60% damage increase for tanks, that is why I call it lazy because you can get such a significant increase in output damage just from grinding a couple of rank 1 mobs which just fall over. - There's no reason not to do that much at least. - I don't really expect anyone to run that much of your proposal on a normal mode setup, especially when they can be doing upwards of 120 DR runs for every relic.

It's not like I disagree with it being insanely powerful; because they are, just with regard to invested time or Gil for the average player when you factor in a lot of people are doing multiple relics. You compare a no essence runner to someone running even just a simple regular essence of Martialist, or Essence of Aetherweaver, then you already see a night and day difference for as little effort as it takes to actually get all of that prepared. - I'm talking about creating a significant amount of contribution for practically very very little effort

[Goji1639]

the logic "10 min farm = -1 min off clear time so it's 9 min wasted" only works if you're a freeloader, because it's not just -1min off clear your time, it's -1 min off clear time for everyone in the raid; and if you consider, say, maybe thinking about cooperation in an online game where you play with other people to achieve same goal, that is a 14 min positive net gain for the group
what's more, the way farming works if you group up for farming aswell that 10min for farming one essense actually becomes <1min, making it a net positive even if you're not into teamplay

I don't think you know what a freeloader is. Wasting 9 minutes of your time to save 1 minute for 23 other people is self-sacrifice. If you want to sacrifice your time for the benefit of others that's great, but it's not something you can reasonably expect or demand from everyone else. Expecting constant selfless gestures amongst complete strangers is delusional.

It was SE's job to make this content rewarding and they failed, so the lack of motivation in the community to put any effort into this content is on SE.

[lezard21]

Personally i'll use em when i have em, but not gonna farm more. I've Also seen a lot of different "run setups" (with a lot of ppl, or few ppl using essences) never noticed much difference -_- ... Maybe how much.. 5-8 mins? Wow.. gonna change my Life..

Maybe you don't notice the difference because half of the raid was not using essences or actions. Runs where everybody use essences and actions take 15-20 minutes. Call the math guy to calculate how much time was saved vs the 40-50 minutes runs where half the raid is not using essences.

[AikenDrum]

I don't think you know what a freeloader is. Wasting 9 minutes of your time to save 1 minute for 23 other people is self-sacrifice. If you want to sacrifice your time for the benefit of others that's great, but it's not something you can reasonably expect or demand from everyone else. Expecting constant selfless gestures amongst complete strangers is delusional.

It was SE's job to make this content rewarding and they failed, so the lack of motivation in the community to put any effort into this content is on SE.

Why are you stopping at not farming essences if you think of helping the group as a sacrifice? Go all the way, afk at the start of DR, no one can kick you, come back in an hour to get your relic. All personal time saved, zero effort, maximum efficiency. You hate bozja and don't care about what other people think of you anyway, right?

[Goji1639]

Why are you stopping at not farming essences if you think of helping the group as a sacrifice? Go all the way, afk at the start of DR, no one can kick you, come back in an hour to get your relic. All personal time saved, zero effort, maximum efficiency. You hate bozja and don't care about what other people think of you anyway, right?

If I AFK during instances people can report me and get my account suspended or banned. This game has rules; I have to actually participate, and if I have to participate I may as well keep up a rotation and do mechanics to save myself time.

Farming, however, isn't a rule and IS a waste of my time.

[AikenDrum]

If I AFK during instances people can report me and get my account suspended or banned. This game has rules; I have to actually participate, and if I have to participate I may as well keep up a rotation and do mechanics to save myself time.

Farming, however, isn't a rule and IS a waste of my time.

you cant get banned for afk, emergencies happen and no one can prove anything


if you don't like farming essences then it's fine, but don't say it's the most efficient, because if you don't take helping group into account then the most efficient is to afk for free relic

i mean seriously, do you think your essenceless self doing rotation for 40min is gonna save that much time? probably same 1min as you'd get from farming the essence, but for freaking 40 min of effort, how is that not a giant waste of your time?

[Goji1639]

you cant get banned for afk, emergencies happen and no one can prove anything


if you don't like farming essences then it's fine, but don't say it's the most efficient, because if you don't take helping group into account then the most efficient is to afk for free relic

I will say that not allowing vote kicks in DR is hilarious and makes no sense; it's like SE wanted people to try AFKing through it. It is against the ToS, though, and it's a dumb thing to risk your account over.

Also, I said it wastes the relic hunters time, which is correct.

The problem is that things like "farming" require SOME kind of personal incentive to motivate people to do it. SE added a grind but forgot to add the reward, which is hilarious. My reward is the smiling faces of all the other people in DRN who didn't actually notice or care that I saved them 1 whole minute, lol. Are we really all so surprised that's not enough for most people?

i mean seriously, do you think your essenceless self doing rotation for 40min is gonna save that much time? probably same 1min as you'd get from farming the essence, but for freaking 40 min of effort, how is that not a giant waste of your time?

How does it waste my time? If I do rotations I get out a minute faster, and I didn't have to grind trash outside of Bozja for 10 minutes to get that 1 minute.

[Vahlnir]

Why are you stopping at not farming essences if you think of helping the group as a sacrifice? Go all the way, afk at the start of DR, no one can kick you, come back in an hour to get your relic. All personal time saved, zero effort, maximum efficiency. You hate bozja and don't care about what other people think of you anyway, right?

You can't be kicked, but the game will kick you after 10 minutes of inactivity. I had to afk in DR once and ended up taking far longer than I had planned. Came back to find myself in Gangos and I saw the basic "you will be removed after x amount of time of inactivity" and such after scrolling up.