Non-tomestone ways to get to item level 460? Crafting?

[Iscah]

And I raided savage in HW, I don't want to again. As I mentioned before, I raid in another game, I don't want to take two that way. Esp considering I don't really have evenings free *to* run.

I don't think you're understanding. The Eden "raids" are not "raiding". They are not a time commitment to learning to clear difficult fights.

They are basically trials you'll run once or twice for tokens and that will be enough.

You probably only need to clear each battle once for story and you'll have enough to boost your ilevel and get through the rest of your MSQ.

[kaynide]

OP, the easiest thing to do is just buy whatever you need to get the ilvl for the dungeon. Yes, maxing crafting is a way to go, but at that point just for armor your time would be better served doing eden for jewelry and Nier or bozja for armor.

[Infindox]

No, it's not hard, but i still didn't want to do it.

And I raided savage in HW, I don't want to again. As I mentioned before, I raid in another game, I don't want to take two that way. Esp considering I don't really have evenings free *to* run.

I don't *mind* doing stuff with other players. I'm more concerned with side stuff essentially being required. if Eden wasn't an optional unlockable, then sure, fine. Make it part of the main story. I haven't unlocked *anything* because quite frankly, I don't want to.

I didn't want to tomestone farm. That was my biggest problem. I have a grand total of 2 dungeons that'll give them unlocked right now. -_-

And I'm leveling my trusts to level them. I'm getting the gear for alt jobs. I don't mind it, it's pretty mindless. And is something to do.

What I mean is it that doing a run or two doesn't take much time, heck doing the cutscenes take longer. I'm not sure how much time you have but doing a roulette run once a day can get you to the tomes you want before Endwalker with barely any effort. You will even get gil in the process and then you can buy the 510 gear on the MB, which will be enough to start you off if you want to take a break (I'd even buy you it myself if I was on your data center)

[Imora]

It's fine, I'll get it sorted. I was hoping to skip Eden.

I can't do 80s dungeon roulette because I don't have them all unlocked nor do I have the gear. I do my other roulettes. Tomes are slow to come by with just those.

Chest and legs and I should be good. I'm 4 item levels off now I think for heroes gauntlet. I don't really want to farm Eden for weapons and I can't unlock Bozja either. Don't want to do Ivalice raids. Alliance raids just iritate me i attract The Dumb. Tales for the duty finder thread.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm more concerned with side stuff essentially being required.

It's not. The route to gear up without the side stuff is acquiring tomestones through roulettes and trading those for gear.

And as others have said, Eden Normal and Alliance "raids" aren't really raids. They're designed to be puggable. And there are roulettes for both so they stay pretty active.

[Omedon]

I just wanna throw in here, as the person that started this thread, that I've since re-evaluated just how much I'm unwilling to tank for strangers, and I will likely just tomestone it out at some point in the future when those stones will be potentially worth more.

I do appreciate all the information as to my options. I think the only real mind boggling element to me that was SO CLOSE BUT SO FAR was that the prior story dungeon loot is literally 5 ilvls short of the minimum for the next story dungeon. They'd have an entirely self contained ecosystem of trusts and blissful absence of tank heckling if not for that odd broken bridge.

That all said, I'm not gonna try to piss into the wind because that's just not efficient. I have always been a big fan of FFXIV's currency options for gaining "good enough is good enough" gear levels for most activities. The roulette is a pretty amazing idea for keeping dungeons relevant and keeping people doing those dungeons. I just... you know how it goes. The first rule of tanking in MMOs is "don't be new on other people's time," and the way I play the game puts me in a perpetual state of newness. Tank specs fit my play style in literally every other aspect of any trinity MMO... except this.

But I'll be ok. Thank you all for the fascinating discussion on where all the options are hiding, I learned a lot in this thread! I'll see you in a few months when WoW inevitably goes stale again.

[Larirawiel]

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

[Vahlnir]

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

Weeks to go from 475 to 490 is a huge exaggeration. Seriously. It can be done in a day or two, if not sooner, and for free. I would look into the various gearing options available at endgame, because you are clearly not doing something right if it is taking you so long. Also, it would not cost "millions of gil" to get a high enough boost. Heck, you wouldn't even need to buy all of the crafted pieces.

[Jojoya]

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

Almost every MMORPG has its end game gear grind as a time filler between content releases. It's become a standard part of the genre and is unlikely to change. It's something you'll have to get used to when playing MMORPGs.

Tomestones are hardly meaningless when they're giving you access to the best gear you're going to get outside of Savage raiding and you're getting a choice of content to do to earn them. You're looking at a grind regardless of what route you choose to go. Grind the RNG drops from Eden's Promise or Tower at Paradigm's Breach (which will also give tomestones). Grind through Save the Queen (which can also give tomestomes) to get augmented Bozjan gear. Grind out the gil (which can also give tomestones if you're doing it via Gliderskin/Zonureskin treasure maps).

SE will no doubt add gear coffers to 5.1-5.5 quests once Endwalker is released as a gear catch up mechanism for new characters just as they have done for past expansion content once a new expansion is released but it's not going to help your character if you already have Paglth'an unlocked.

[Imora]

It's not. The route to gear up without the side stuff is acquiring tomestones through roulettes and trading those for gear.

And as others have said, Eden Normal and Alliance "raids" aren't really raids. They're designed to be puggable. And there are roulettes for both so they stay pretty active.

Oh i know. They're just full of headaches for me, that's all.