Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[LisSquid]

I also don't know where people are getting that f Hrothgar aren't even in development. They said they *weren't complete*, which is a far cry from confirming where in the development cycle they fall.

For all we know they could be at the drawing board, or just needed final rigging. We don't know.

All we do know is that male viera were complete.

[Yencat]

You'd think we'd all have learned by now that unless they explicitly say something is coming by a certain date/patch/expansion launch, it could be 2 years or more away.

[Fukuro]

I also don't know where people are getting that f Hrothgar aren't even in development. They said they *weren't complete*, which is a far cry from confirming where in the development cycle they fall.

For all we know they could be at the drawing board, or just needed final rigging. We don't know.

All we do know is that male viera were complete.

well they said they had their hands full with male viera and the game, although they „plan“ to find an opportunity to add them in the future.
i don‘t know, but „plan“ seems like something rather early in development...
BUT i still hope people will get them earlier. eventhough knowing that yoshi p repeatedly stated what a huge workload/resource drain races are, it seems to me more likely they’ll finish them up for 7.0 as an expansion seller.
either way, i‘ll be exited if im proven wrong, can‘t wait to see what they look like \o/

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You'd think we'd all have learned by now that unless they explicitly say something is coming by a certain date/patch/expansion launch, it could be 2 years or more away.

Yeah...but y'know. Everyone an expert and gotta go mythbusters all over something

[Kaliesto]

Female Hrothgar would look similar to the ones seen in FFX I would guess, standing up more straight with the build of a Roe I imagine.

[EtherRose]

I explained my reasoning in my previous post. It's been new races every second expansion so far, and 6.0 wouldn't get anything by that pattern; therefore getting male Viera now may be an early bonus rather than "both were supposed to be available now but one is behind schedule".

They specifically said that Viera could have been held back until both were ready, but they decided to release it individually. If anything that means they put all the work into them and haven't even started on Hrothgar yet.

You are completely disregarding the whole covid-19 factor in this. If they decided to release both it would be mid 6.0+. However Yoshi stated it would have been to much work considering you know, covid-19. Hence why we got male viera now and female hrothgar would be in mid 6.0+.

The main factor people seem to completely disregard is that these are not "new races". These are just the opposite sexes of the race. Not an entirely new race. Take for example male Miqo'te and female Roe which were released in 2.0'ish because it wasn't a "New race" and also isn't on your "List". So no, I highly doubt female hrothgar will take until 7.0. If none of this covid-19 crap was going we could have had both by end of 5.0 or even earlier.

[Rokke]

The main factor people seem to completely disregard is that these are not "new races". These are just the opposite sexes of the race. Not an entirely new race. Take for example male Miqo'te and female Roe which were released in 2.0'ish because it wasn't a "New race" and also isn't on your "List". So no, I highly doubt female hrothgar will take until 7.0. If none of this covid-19 crap was going we could have had both by end of 5.0 or even earlier.

Yoshi has stated multiple times now that a new gender is essentially a new race considering all they have to make/adjust. I'd imagine it was a much faster turnaround back then when they had significantly less stuff to adjust, which seems to be the biggest factor for even considering new genders/races.

[Iscah]

The main factor people seem to completely disregard is that these are not "new races". These are just the opposite sexes of the race. Not an entirely new race. Take for example male Miqo'te and female Roe which were released in 2.0'ish because it wasn't a "New race" and also isn't on your "List". So no, I highly doubt female hrothgar will take until 7.0. If none of this covid-19 crap was going we could have had both by end of 5.0 or even earlier.

I'm saying "race" because it's shorter than "new genders for existing races". (Even the Endwalker promotional material is calling male Viera a "new playable race".) Character model is the more exact description, and it's going to be the same amount of work building new character models regardless of what new or old race they represent.

I feel like Miqo'te and Roegadyn don't necessarily count for the patch cycle because they were created during in the process of rebuilding the game for 2.0, not as part of the ongoing patch cycle.

And I greatly doubt they ever would have released it within 5.0's patch cycle even if they functionally could. Much better to use it for promotion of the next expansion – which again is a potential reason for Hrothgar to be withheld (or scheduled to be ready for 7.0 promotion) depending on how far in development they are and what sort of priority they are being treated with.

I'm not saying they will be, but you can't assume they won't be either.

And I personally think it's much better to set that long-term expectation, be patient and maybe be pleasantly surprised that it turns out to be sooner, than to hang onto it saying "it must be soon! It'll be just around the corner! I bet they're almost complete and just need to finishing touches!" when maybe they aren't at all. We don't know, and insisting it must be soon just gets people upset when it isn't soon after all.

[Reksanden]

I do remember that it was stated that the team working on mViera was to help improve the process besides just giving us the much more highly demanded missing gender

It might be a bit too hopeful and optimistic and positive or whatever, but I do feel that if said improvements stick around, we should see them sooner rather than later. That being said, I would rather the team take their time to make fHroth that much better - tho we don't yet know how stuff will look on mViera, soooo...

[reivaxe]

Wow, gone for a few days and it seems people are very invested in when they will be released.

I stick to 6.x, as it makes the most sense to me.
I see no reason for them to openly tell us their coming now "But not in 6.0" if they're gonna be the big reveal for 7.0. Would make more sense if they said, "We hope to find away to give them to you in a future expansion ..." to keep up the mystery or if YP outright said "We hope to let you play them in 7.0" if that was the plan. There's no point in being shy about it, giving people any hope for a 6.x release, if they're not coming for 2-3 years. It's the main reason I read his latest deflections of MV talk before Fanfest as a sign that they were coming in 6.0.

Aren't female Roegadyn unpopular mainly because of their face options? Its been years, but I'm pretty sure that was the most common complaint I heard about them. That and their animations/emotes not being something you'd expect. Also RoeBros look the way they do because they're based on the Galka in FFXI (minus the tail, which made them adorable). Blame the 1.0 team for that .-.

Nah, it's not just the face.
They look like dudes or dudes wearing feminine clothing in over 60% of gear in this game, and most people who chose to play females want to look good/ like a female in w/e they wear. Simple as that. Animations wise, their animations only look "odd" because they share them with much more feminine looking females ( /Toast emote is a great example. When I look at a Femroe I don't think they would drink a mug with 2 hands and let out a girlish shake afterward. War Victory or Battle ready pose is another). Every non-Lala female, be them Highlander or Elezen or Viera, was built from the Middie-base and rig, so they often times use the same animations and poses for shared actions/ emotes.

Give them the Queen's bodyshape and that fixes many of their problems. They would still have the face features counting against them, but there's a big difference between "rare" and Femroe's current numbers.
Hell, the only explanation I can think of as to why the Queen has that body shape for that story is if that's the body of Hrothgals. That body and the mural were 2 of the flashing, glaring warning signs that "they're prob working on them...!" for me (Other warning signs being the cut in Dngs with YP going "Yeah, we don't NEED to do so many dngs ..." and stuff like the /Hmm emote having Female C@S, Male Elezen and Roebros being the only ones with unique animations for it. Roebros normally get unique animations, but it would def make sense to factor in MV and FH into emotes like that if they're working on them)